Feb. 10, 2021

Afterglow

Afterglow

This episode of Undebatable (no.16) covers all the highlights from the Super Bowl 2021, we talk about the Half Time Show performed by The Weekend. We also touch on the Super Bowl guy who ran out on the field and……well you know the rest. Our hot topics include: Mail going to the wrong house or not getting delivered at all, whether it’s okay to still text your ex after you break up and are in another relationship and the new rules for certain elected officials in New Hampshire, no more pets on zoom calls during hearings for bills. Lastly, we talk with Dr. Rachel Cleetus, an expert scientist on Climate Change and how the new administration could mean good things for the Paris Climate Accord and green new jobs. Don’t mis this fun episode, it will surely deliver many good laughs!

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Transcript

Keith:

trivia time. What happens when you put for highly opinionated friends? For microphones and breaking news and controversial topics in a blender? You get one hell of a podcast. This is undebatable A hysterical and thought provoking podcast that sees for friends from different backgrounds debate hot button issues that affect our modern world hot button issues. For quick witted hosts, if it's political news, pop culture news or weird news. We're talking about it. This is undebatable. And here are your hosts Raylene. Oh,

Unknown:

Curtis. Hello,

Keith:

Steve.

Unknown:

Hey, Bradford, what's up?

Bradford :

Hey, everybody, welcome to this edition of undebatable. This is Episode 16. Can you believe we made it to 16 episodes already? How crazy is that

Steve:

at 16 weeks? That is that is a percentage of the year that I don't know off the top of my head.

Unknown:

Seriously, like, that's, that's awesome.

Steve:

I'm trying to figure it out, weren't you?

Raylene:

I was like, in my head. I was like, wait a minute.

Bradford :

who watched the Super Bowl? I did.

Unknown:

Oh, what was that on? What do you mean?

Bradford :

Oh, well, so yeah, I'm with you on that one. I actually only like to watch the commercials and the halftime show.

Raylene:

I like all of it. Even and I don't even watch shows. I won't watch. I don't watch football at all the whole rest of the year. But I always watch Super Bowl and I if I don't know any of the teams. I usually know somebody from a general area. And I'm like, Okay, well, like last year, I have a good friend who lives in Missouri. So obviously I was rooting for the chiefs. And then this year, I was like fucker, Tom Brady.

Unknown:

I like your logic.

Steve:

I like football. So I actually watch it to see who's gonna be the champion of the NFL. So for me all the bullshit before and the halftime show. And all these long commercial breaks for me is like it's like torture from

Unknown:

experience.

Steve:

Right? It isn't. I'm just there for the football. Who

Unknown:

are you rooting for, by the way?

Steve:

I mean, I'm a Cowboys fan. So I'll never have a Super Bowl to watch ever again. I was like

Unknown:

arms legs.

Raylene:

I remember when they used to be when I was a kid.

Steve:

Tom Brady is now the greatest athlete maybe that we've seen of our generation. So he had sex before I wanted to my theory was why do I not want to be able to tell my kids and my grandkids I saw the greatest football player of all time. So just keep winning Tom right at this point. Just

Curtis:

keep racking my mind not make them richer. Let me not say his name.

Bradford :

Can I ask you a question? I'm in the non sports guys gonna ask the sports guy question. So do you think it is possible to win a Super Bowl without Tom Brady?

Steve:

Obviously other teams have all right, Patrick mahomes. won last year? Yeah. But the guys played for what? 19 years now. And he's been to 10 I mean, there's no he has more Super Bowl rings than any other NFL team in his teams in history. More than every other team ever played football.

Raylene:

I saw one funny meme that it was just like Tom Brady just walked outside of the Patriots and goes alright, who wants to go the Super Bowl?

Unknown:

Everybody said Oh,

Steve:

Belichick shouldn't be the assistant coach next year down there.

Unknown:

Tom, can I come to?

Curtis:

I refuse to talk about Tom saltstick silent

Raylene:

what's wrong is Oh, is it because it was politics or

Curtis:

politics and then it got farther. So someone from another team and I forget the team's name, just tweeted about a racial slur that he called them. So I know. JOHN

Steve:

Lee though I saw today that Matthew confirmed that it was nothing racial that Tom Brady's just a psycho.

Curtis:

You have to be a cycler to be that great. But you know,

Steve:

if you saw the game Tom and tyrod Matthew, were going at it like crazy. During the game. They showed two different clips of Matthew ran up, gotten his face and poked like, Yeah, he got I saw that Brady chased him and started yelling a bunch of crazy stuff at him. And then Brady started targeting him throughout the game to try to embarrass him. And then he kept talking more trash, and more trash. So Matthew was asked, Hey, what did? What did Tom say to you when he freaked out? And he said, I can't. I'm not going to repeat what he said, because it's too wrong. And then everyone started speculating, oh, it must have been racial. And then it started getting out of hand and Matthew then confirmed again, it said report Matthew reportedly said that it wasn't racist. So I'm not going to come out and be like, nope, Tom didn't do it. But all the reports from him and everybody else is that he just said a bunch of wild,

Raylene:

some nasty about his mother. I still like I liked it.

Steve:

You see that pretty boy image and then you see why he has seven championship? Yeah, cuz that dude was a psycho psycho

Raylene:

about his wife or his kids.

Bradford :

speakers. They go back the weekend is a little psychotic. I mean, if you look at his music, yeah, he's got some really dark stuff going on his life. He was homeless. I think 17 right. He was homeless. So it was Joel and really

Raylene:

yeah, Joel lived in her car for a long time.

Bradford :

Well thought that his his from allowance was I thought his performance was pretty good especially in the end it started off a little rough I you know he's super talented he doesn't need autocorrect or you know that like voice stuff going on. He can naturally sing but the reason they kind of sucked in the beginning was because he was so hyped up he was jumping and moving and you could tell he was like out of breath

Steve:

you cannot sing good if you're out of brown who's in charge of the audio but his mic was so low like it was like a radio to audio person I was like, Can I just turn the pot up a little bit he was so quiet but I mean, I went into it looking for something compelling I'm a cynical person. So I want to go I want to go on the morning the next day and be like the worst performance of all time and now the stage is cooling me Don't go inside. Normally there's a crowd there so COVID created the ability for him to then go out in the field and all that stuff so I mean, at the end of it we got I looked at it like this we got to see a guy fulfill a dream right right of his life. And now that was good enough for me. It was awesome.

Raylene:

One thing that annoyed me is after the fact there was so many memes that were like when you order Michael Jackson off which when you order Bruno Mars off

Steve:

our my girlfriend kept turning around look at this one.

Raylene:

Yeah, but there was like four of them that did the whole when you order so and so off wish and like somebody the last one I saw was Lenny Kravitz and I'm like You know what, I keep seeing these and I'm like y'all know the weekend is a whole last star all in his own right. You don't need to compare him to anybody.

Steve:

He's like the drink of our mid pie. Welcome Logitech single.

Raylene:

I don't even listen to the radio and I still know most of his songs How did that happen?

Curtis:

Right first came out I always thought it was a group because it's called the weekend the

Bradford :

weekend right? Most people did Yeah, no, he's incredibly talented. He's got a way of bringing you into those beats it's just it's awesome very

Raylene:

reminiscent of the 80s right a lot of it but like one of his songs is as is on my Spotify sexy as fuck playlist the like Girl you're worth it song

Unknown:

right? Oh yeah,

Raylene:

The Beatles like the absolutely everything about that song gets me just like a song for everyone to

Curtis:

watch I like exactly absolutely what were the guys that were dancing with those actual jockstraps I missed

Raylene:

I doubt I'm sure their

Bradford :

faces. They were masks because he just had plastic surgery on his face and that represents like what he had gone through previously.

Unknown:

Why did he get past the surgery? Does anyone know he

Steve:

goes on to me that I thought publicity no

Raylene:

i i saw that he he goes out purposely with like makeup on to look like he's got plastic surgery and stuff as a statement about the fakeness of Hollywood in the music industry.

Curtis:

That's what I was hoping was that Yeah, cuz I got noticed his face actually done I did see pictures of him with crazy face. But I felt so stupid that photos

Bradford :

leading up to the event he's in mask that that same mask from the lines of where he supposedly had the surgery, but who knows if he actually did like you said it could just be a publicity stunt.

Raylene:

I would say part of the best part of that whole entire thing was the streaker.

Unknown:

Oh, yes. I was paid. I wish I brought the audio how much he made?

Raylene:

Yeah. Well, he made a bet. He's a smart dude. Yeah, but he was also wearing

Steve:

the GameStop a Stryker

Raylene:

logo on his shirt, which I'm not gonna repeat is actually a porn site. And so I said, 0% when I saw him running, I said, first of all, he's definitely been paid. And then when I saw I was wearing a logo, it was like, Oh, fuck, yeah, he got paid. And then I found out later, you know that we're seeing the thing that he was he bet on himself, and then did it got himself and everybody's like, why would he do that? Like, well, how much how much trouble you think you actually get in for streaking

Steve:

it cost instead of cost them $1,000? for the night in jail, right? I made a I made I don't know, it was a meme. So I still I didn't even know this was a true story. Until the fact that all of you are aware of it. Right? Right. Because I saw it as a meeting yesterday. And I was like, it looks like the guy and that'd be badass, right? But then again, his fucking Facebook and it's a meme.

Raylene:

That might not be true, but the fact is, he was wearing a logoed sexy ass, whatever. And that went around. So I guarantee you that website paid very

Steve:

well. I will play devil's advocate. Maybe his girlfriend like is a cam girl and she has one of those little maybe bikinis and he way

Curtis:

too much money. He was smart.

Raylene:

Yeah, like when everybody was like that sort of radio who would do that? And I'm like, Are you stupid? He obviously did it for money.

Steve:

Right TV cut it, obviously. Yeah, but radio had to do the play by play. So Kevin Harlan doing the play by play was amazing. He's like, no, don't

Unknown:

take your he slept.

Raylene:

Zone before Patrick.

Unknown:

There's a lot of jokes that

Steve:

yes, he had a better offensive game than entire offense.

Bradford :

Oh my god. That's awesome. Well, let's take a look at our hot topics for today. We're gonna be talking about a new hampshire politicians who are banned from having their pets on their zoom calls while they're in remote bill hearings. Yes, apparently their pet Scott That out of control also, is it okay to text your ex if you're in a new relationship and how far before it's wrong And lastly, a New Jersey man mistakenly receives a package for the Washington Capitals star?

Raylene:

Yeah, so this week sorry, we've watched it in Washington Capitals star, isn't it? Zdeno Chara, who is actually a Boston Bruins star that just moved to the capitals and I'm still bitter

Steve:

is known for cracking skulls also sounded whoa

Raylene:

that was that was a one time thing I was an accident

Steve:

but when he delivered his fist into someone else's face over and over and over

Raylene:

he's huge he's like seven feet tall without he where it is without escapes

Steve:

the enforcer for the Bruins for as long as I can remember?

Raylene:

Yeah, he was also their captain and then all of a sudden he was gone cuz that's what happens when you get old

Curtis:

I just realized what sport we were taught hockey

Unknown:

I caught on

Steve:

if you live there you should at least have a basic knowledge of the stars at play even on your hockey team. So like if I saw char I'm like yo I gotta go find this guy not only because I have a package I'm gonna get all this like attention from I get his autograph Yeah, it might give me some cash at the same time

Raylene:

okay but this package was delivered to New Jersey and and capitals are in Washington so wasn't very close who sent the pack? It was it was actually the people who make the hockey sticks sent them and set and it was literally addressed properly and FedEx dropped it off in New Jersey

Steve:

I might keep those wow right

Bradford :

yeah offensive so have you guys done

Raylene:

packages that are not yours?

Steve:

I've had yeah two different situation I had a tax return one time show up in my mail but like an actual check no is like the legit IRS like from her work Oh tax return and it was like this person crystal Sweeney if you're out there I don't know. I tried to find I kept getting her mail forever You know it's a new apartment so that just the left it's like the Verizon buildings and I got the actual tax return and I was like now coming for you to look for him like what do I do with this? So I like returned to the office at the Department of hey do you know they're like where they move to like no, I even like what Facebook does anyone know where frickin crystal Sweeney used to live here and No, I mean I tried I think I still have it in a box somewhere

Raylene:

all you need to do is return to sender and stick it back in the mailbox.

Steve:

I was trying to be like a hero because I thought I thought she liked yeah but around I thought you might okay you had

Unknown:

your name was crystal

Steve:

but she probably stripper probably

Bradford :

so How frequently do you actually think this happens?

Raylene:

Oh, it happens to me all the time. I get my neighbors mail constantly same Matter of fact I got my neighbor's stately man box this weekend and I got it also last month so apparently they think he lives at my house interesting.

Steve:

I had my roommate like when I first moved in with her she a box got delivered to our apartment we're on the third floor so all the way down on the on the ground floor was the right place. So it was like oh, Is this yours? No, it's for the people downstairs it's like a lady with like her kid box out on my counter for like a week and a half and I was like I'm gonna bring this like Yeah, I think so. There might be something and I'm like well what are we gonna do with this? So it's like she took it in so after like two weeks I'm like fuck this I'm just gonna go put it down at our stairs because I mean kid you don't know if that's like medicine or anything like that. But it's a simple thing if someone had your package and they can take 35 seconds yeah to walk to your door and give it to you I feel like you should

Raylene:

i 100% i agree i i find it very frustrating that the people who are delivering packages and I'm not gonna name any particular source they're not being careful at all but

Steve:

what if what if it comes from like Amazon or one of those places where you know if i jack this like that person's getting this back no matter Yeah,

Raylene:

I had a friend who had her son's toddler bed stolen, they brought it up to the apartment and there was somebody outside it was like a multi apartment building somebody outside signed for it and took it and Amazon had to send them a new one because it was signed for but not by anybody anybody I don't know

Steve:

this is true but this is my theory. I I ordered a sweatshirt for I needed it for Halloween costume so as those come really close it said it got delivered didn't get delivered. It's like seven o'clock at night I call Amazon ups whoever is it go oh well it's been delivered I said don't I see that but I can see the name is signed Simmons. And as you can see on my my information that's not my last name and it says it's signed for which means one of your guys went to a door someone signed for it. You went to the wrong place like it's gone like well, maybe it's gone. Someone signed for it and took it the next day. That package showed up at my door not when they sent it because I got the one they sent out two days later. So what I really think happens is these poor delivery people they can't go home until they deliver all their packages. Like I know I want to be in Norwich tomorrow. Well I'm assigning Joe whatever Simmons and then tomorrow on my way through I'm going to drop it off so I'd go home at six instead of seven o'clock tonight.

Bradford :

I wonder that's

Steve:

it could be have strange conspiracy theories. That's that's one of them. It could be there was quite a few.

Unknown:

That was deep.

Raylene:

There's a lot of packages that have already been Yes, drivers just appearing right. Well, I

Curtis:

just believe everyone should get secured here.

Bradford :

Remember that girl that we talked about on one of the prior episodes that like glitter bombed her right. So you See those like glitter bomb packages run up and they're on the security camera and

Raylene:

love them? Yeah, you haven't seen that or I love it. What I hate is that they sometimes blackout the person's face and see their shameless is

Bradford :

2021 This is canceled culture right they just

Steve:

did all the Nobel Peace Prize nominations and I mean this for real why not the inventor of the ring doorbell hell yeah because how many people I just saw a video of a guy putting out a fire in his front yard because his alarm went off how many people's lives have been saved I saw a little girl being like attacked by a dog and she was like screaming to the neighbors they have locked the door so you get it and get away from like how many people have been saved or just beautiful things have come from those ring doorbells.

Curtis:

I think we can give them our certificate not a

Steve:

global peace prize. nomination is like the like they're not gonna beat the guy that's gonna make the backs that would actually be interesting.

Unknown:

nomination.

Steve:

do love my anyone can be nominated. True.

Raylene:

I really do love I was a shock security camera. We sold my old minivan for like $400 to this guy, and he took it down the road and then it died. But like, I don't know if the battery died or something. And he came walking back and which I thought was super suspicious. Like why did he walk back to my house? But anyway, he comes down the driveway and my husband's like, you know, what are you doing? He goes, Oh, the car broke down down the street and my husband's like, yeah, we saw you coming down the driveway on the cameras to make sure this little fucker wasn't just like casing our house after buying our

Steve:

old overhead they run in the other direction.

Bradford :

Alright, moving on to our next hot topic. Is it okay to text your ex if you are in a relationship? And how far before it goes wrong? Steve, what do you think? Um,

Steve:

there's a there's a it's really circumstantial situational. But there is a line somewhere like if you're married with your you know, your you got divorced, you have kids, that's a different level of like, needing to communicate. But I mean, if I'm dating someone, and my and I'm texting all my exes at the same time, like I think that's kind of I think it's kind of dirty.

Unknown:

Yeah. Oh, yeah. But,

Steve:

but I do like I have I have an ex from high school who is like the only one that's like a friend. And then there's like one or two others every randomly once in a while big a random message. But I don't I'm not going back and forth. I think like where the line is, is like pictures. That to me is like no intimate thing now in the world we live in Sure.

Unknown:

Yeah, you shouldn't be sending pictures.

Steve:

But what what if it just a picture of like, we used to go to this lunch and I took a picture of sandwich.

Unknown:

But why? Why? Why can't you see it on social media?

Steve:

Cuz it's a thing between both of you posted on Facebook and email. So you guys, so remember, the vibe and

Raylene:

witches hear the vibe.

Steve:

It's like, Hey, I swing by John's today. Well, and just send the picture. Okay, cuz that's what I get. I get those. And I'm like, okay, what's up? I

Bradford :

think like a girl. If I received that text from you in a picture, I'd be like, Is he trying to get back together with me?

Steve:

Yeah, but see, I think girls do it more than guys and girls are texting their exes. More often than guys are. I think guys just assumed it because girls always seem to be at least the ones I've dated in this online dating world where there's always someone lined up, they're texting someone before or they're texting. There's always someone in line waiting for the women. It feels like what do you think?

Raylene:

I will say that the line is whether or not you're hiding it? Yes. And so like, for a while after my husband and I got married, I had an axe. And occasionally we didn't have texting back then. It was, you know,

Unknown:

back in the day, we

Raylene:

sent him a smoke signal. Anyway, um, we had like AOL Instant Messenger kind of thing. And, you know, every now and then we would have a chat mail. Yeah, it will, we would just chat for like, five, you know, like, five minutes. Like, I'd be at the library because that's where I had the access and and I would be like, Hey, I, you know, I had a little chat with Larry today. And he was like, why? And I'm like, I don't we just said, Hey, how you doing? Blah, blah. And then he actually had a little chat thing with one of his ex girlfriends once and he didn't tell me about it. Until like way later in and then I was like, Hey, remember when you get used to get all pissy when I was talking to Larry in like, like, I don't want I have no jealousy. Right? So like, but the fact that you hid it from me means that you felt bad about it. So

Curtis:

yeah, I'm not interested. I'm a Pisces. I love love. I love relationships. I'm super loyal. So for me, as long as we're honest, from the front, there's no like the first day the time like, let me know first, if we're dating and depending on how long we're dating, I want to know if you still have relationship with any of your exes. That's something I think you should say after a certain amount of time if you're going to be texting with someone

Raylene:

it was a little overlap with me and

Curtis:

and that's kind of what they're typically there's overlap and I'm just not a failed lesson. There wasn't

Raylene:

a cheating situation

Curtis:

where right but still well, we were laughing, halls speculation that leads to unnecessary drama.

Bradford :

Well, and when you've got kids in the mix, you know if you're if you're divorced parents Your kids are under 18 and there's you know different hey I'm sending little Jimmy over with his you know Blinky or whatever what have dad Jimmy sends a picture his Jimmy back

Unknown:

Jimmy's the kid right?

Raylene:

It's his little man little one. It really just depends on what the what you know whether or not you're if you're hiding it is wrong.

Curtis:

What's the dynamics of the reaction and the dynamic

Raylene:

I'm friends with pretty much every single I'm friends on Facebook with every x that would add that Well, I mean, since I was 18. So it's literally like my ex husband, my ex fiance and Mike. You know, I'm friends with everybody. I don't have any bad relationships. I mean, that hookups. I'm not friends with hookups but I mean,

Steve:

if you're my ex, it is the same if you're a real ex, it is blocked on social media. Numbers deleted.

Unknown:

What do I need you around for? You don't want them to see your glow up.

Steve:

There's no glow up happening. Yeah, at any time. I don't want to see them burn out. I keep mine when I need them for

Bradford :

I keep my ex's phone numbers in my contact list because two of them are crazy as shit. And I want to know if it's them calling me because I don't want to pick up

Raylene:

I'm actually friends with my ex husband's ex wife and my ex husband's wife. How did this my back sit back? My ex fiance Oh, sex toys. Yeah, no, like I I know. That sums it up. It's it's really I don't get rid of people. Like I can end the relationship and not end that person in my life.

Steve:

I know people in my head. Yeah. They are dead to me. They died. They don't exist anymore. Fashion nation. I'm a sociopath. So I just find a logical reasoning and you are gone.

Raylene:

Yeah, I just I don't I collect people. I like all my people. I mean, I kind of once you're in my life, you're in my life forever. And it doesn't mean that we have like an everyday sort of thing or whatever. But you know, you got a new puppy. Cool. Why cute? No, puppy. You know,

Curtis:

you know how to establish the boundary. Right? And all

Raylene:

the boundaries. I've been married to Mike for 25 years.

Curtis:

Right? Not everybody. Sadly, I don't feel like Millennials are like that. There's always something Yeah, sheisty conniving, and

Steve:

there's always someone.

Bradford :

I wouldn't say all millennials but a majority.

Curtis:

You just got to people that are crazy in your phone that you have to make sure they're coming but

Bradford :

I'm saying I'm millennial and I'm not crazy. I don't think I am.

Raylene:

Yeah, nobody knows. They're crazy.

Unknown:

Yeah, until it happens. All right, let

Bradford :

me ask you do all of you think I am crazy or sane?

Raylene:

I don't think you're crazy.

Steve:

I'm fucking crazy. I was like, the nicest normal person in the world. Right? I rage alone in my car. I do. Wild Thing. Yeah.

Raylene:

Well, I mean, as we were talking about earlier, I know. I know.

Steve:

Oh, wild shit, man. Oh, you know what you missed. Tom Brady. You don't even want to mess with me when I'm in my car.

Raylene:

I can loot. I haven't done it in a while. I'm kind of proud of myself. But I can lose my ever loving fuckin I

Steve:

don't have the energy from my own crazy anymore. I'm not even kidding. I got I'm too old. Now I know how to get you a button that says I know how far I'm just like, I just gotta hate this person for two weeks. I

Unknown:

don't hate people.

Steve:

I don't have to do all this stuff. I'm good.

Raylene:

I always wondered like, you know how I just said you don't know. You're crazy. And you don't you know, people are like that bitch crazy. So I always wonder, are you crazy and you just don't know it. Or like when you introduce it, like I always say to people, if you're gonna introduce me to somebody, what's the thing that you say? Like she's really cool, but

Steve:

well, never on a real sense. If you lack the self awareness to know you're fucking crazy, then you're crazy. Yeah,

Curtis:

it was me. Most people don't think I'm crazy. They think I'm nice. Or I am nice. Let me put that out there. This person seems

Raylene:

pretty nice. I'm super super no

Curtis:

nothing. No, I'm super super super super, super nice. Just if you push me to that limit, which I try not to get to because I'm a very calm meditate the whole the whole thing. But once you get me to that limit, that's it. There's no turning back. I will never hate you. But in that moment, you're done. That's it right?

Bradford :

We're gonna switch gears and talk about pets and politicians. Two things that

Unknown:

hated and loved.

Raylene:

Which one do you want to wait?

Steve:

Is that really a question? Yes. I like the cage one up and not cage the other one I'll figure that one out. Both rooms free.

Raylene:

No your kitty is trapped in your house and she

Steve:

roams free inside the house right but my Katie rooms free free my cat would be in the snow right?

Curtis:

Damn, I was gonna sink trapped in a closet. I don't think we can do that.

Bradford :

So in New Hampshire politicians have been banned from having their pets join them on remote bill hearings dumb. Anyone have a cat

Unknown:

that I can borrow? I'm gonna try them. Right.

Bradford :

So. So you're you're a councilman. And have you ever as you want to love not a crazy one. You're loving one. But have any of your fellow council folks had pets like walk cross their zoom call Hitler. Keyboard may be

Curtis:

really rude about you know, some of them are not but no.

Steve:

He realized to be recorded

Curtis:

them have pets, he's like they're all know there are times that I get upset I let them know I'm a very honest person I'm like you didn't have to say that like there was an argument with one counselor and the other counselor was when we took down the Christopher Columbus statue and they're going at it and and one of the counselors who was Caucasian was just like, well, I feel offended and that's discrimination against me Mind you, I had just called channeling news to come on and watch our zoom about this magnificent event. So we don't go on the news for taking down Christopher Columbus and just that we we go into news to watch them go after each other and it's genius. Every time I'm upset or anything or I start my council mood on that energy, it's most hilarious thing I'll send you guys a video.

Steve:

It's my favorite thing about rules, especially signs. I'm always like me to what happened. You know, signs don't just appear like there wasn't speed limit signs that a one day was doing a guy was doing 115 killed somebody like shit, we need to put a sign up, right? So there's always a reason for a ban or a sign. So I want to know don't touch how wild that does get in the background of the zoom between a cat or whatever animal a possibly could be. I just don't understand why kids get crazy.

Bradford :

Right? I'm gonna say you can have your kids in the room next either. Sorry, I

Raylene:

hate people's cats and dogs on zoom. I hate them. Right because they are distracting. And dogs bark. The worst frickin thing if you have a barking dog. Don't get on a friggin zoom call.

Curtis:

Wait, I just realized that. It's a zoom call for a meeting. Don't just get on zooms to say hi, how you doing? My puppy? Like it's a count. Right?

Bradford :

Why do you have a pair? I guess this woman has like a ton of cats. She's probably one of those crazy cat ladies. And it smells like I think the cat was walking across the keyboard. So people just saw and then like it turned to look at her. So therefore it's like butthole everybody they're like trying to like have a serious meetings over cats. But home. I already

Raylene:

just like screen grab that and be like, this is Karen.

Unknown:

I think it's really I got a lawyer for the cat.

Steve:

It's sad that they took the time and they stole taxpayer money to write this as a bill. Right and have a hearing on it.

Raylene:

And what what are they gonna do show up at your house?

Unknown:

That's what I mean.

Bradford :

Well, and can they even do that? Can they say what I mean? Like, how are you supposed to know

Curtis:

There comes time because zoom is a whole different playing field in one noxious and said I'm not getting rid of my cats while there's nowhere else. I'm it's quarantine and my cats are quarantine with me. It's just like, you know, so

Steve:

I have a cat when I want to have her move or go somewhere else. I pick her ass up. I put her there. And I shut the door easy, literally.

Curtis:

But if you are a counselor, you could that's your right, you can do whatever you want, technically. So in order to make it so that you can't do something you have to do something like this to make it longer or an ordinance or what it's silly. It's just silly as fuck,

Raylene:

it's stupid that they wasted.

Unknown:

It's stupid. Put your cats in the closet.

Raylene:

Also, the person in charge of the meeting can turn off somebody else's camera and somebody else's microphone.

Steve:

I wonder if

Unknown:

it people are not we've been

Raylene:

I can turn it off. Like I can blow up on zoom all the time.

Curtis:

I was like, I'll take that $100,000 check. Let me be it for me.

Raylene:

It's not that hard. Whoever starts the zoom meeting can can mute somebody and they can turn off their camera. I know because I've done it right.

Curtis:

It's easy enough. Well, I must have a great counsel because that doesn't happen there. There are times I want to hit mute but not for that. No pets.

Bradford :

Cool. All right, we're gonna hear a word from our sponsors over at instacart and we'll be back with our guest, Dr. Rachel

Raylene:

Cletus. Curtis, where were you? I thought you were gonna miss the podcast.

Curtis:

I was grocery shopping. And it was rough. I had to run all over town to get everything on my list. And I got elbow dropped by a little old lady over a pack of toilet paper. I don't see what's so great about shopping. It's a

Raylene:

pain. That's because you're doing it wrong. I did all my shopping while we were on the last commercial break. And most of it will be here by the time the show was over. See what

Curtis:

how did you manage that? Did you get yourself a personal shopper?

Raylene:

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Unknown:

Sweet.

Raylene:

How can I get in on this, just click the link in the show notes that will let instacart know that we sent you and it'll help support our show. Not only that our listeners get free delivery on their first order over $35 so it's a win win for everyone

Curtis:

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Keith:

you're listening to undebatable here's Raylene Curtis, Steve and Bradford.

Bradford :

All right, welcome back to undebatable joining us right now we have a special guest, Dr. Rachel Cletus. Rachel Cletus is the policy director with the Climate and Energy Program at the Union of Concerned Scientists, she leads the program's efforts in designing effective and equitable policies to address climate change and advocating for their implementation. Dr. Cletus is an expert in policies to promote clean energy and drive deep cuts in heat trapping emissions from the power sector, including carbon pricing and complimentary sector based policies. She also does research on the risks and costs of climate impacts and is an expert on policies to promote climate resilience. She has co authored numerous reports and articles, including the recent you see s reports, underwater, rising seas, chronic floods, and the implications for us coastal real estate. So welcome to the show. Dr. Rachel Cletus, how are you today?

Unknown:

Great. Thank you so much for having me.

Bradford :

Oh, you're very welcome. So some of us in the podcasts are very excited about the new administration that is in the White House, and what that can mean for green jobs. And, of course, climate change as a whole. So what give us a little summary of what that actually does mean for the future of the climate fight?

Unknown:

Well, here's the thing I'm most excited about, we now have an administration that has promised to center science in how it approaches some of the biggest challenges we face as a nation and the world. One of which is climate change, of course. But we are also in the midst of a grave pandemic right now, the COVID-19 crisis, and economic crisis. And we need to approach all these problems with fats with science, and make sure we center equity as well. So that's what I'm excited about with this administration. And on climate change, it's pretty clear that they recognize the science of climate change. It's a real shift in tone from the last four years, where we essentially had this fat free conversation about climate change.

Steve:

Rachel, the Paris Climate Agreement, we hear about it, we know it's important, but what exactly does that entail to be a part of the agreement.

Unknown:

So here's the thing, climate change is a global challenge. We're not going to be able to solve this problem unless we work together with other nations like China, like the European countries like India, everybody needs to come together and do their fair share. And that's why the Paris Agreement was so important, because it really is an agreement that enshrines commitment from the whole global community, the US played a real leadership role in helping secure that agreement, which for the first time really set out a science based goal for the world, saying that we would try to keep global temperature increased to no more than two degrees Celsius, aiming for 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre industrial levels. So let's get moving. Let's deliver on the promise of the Paris Agreement. Right now, we're very far off track. And we need to do a lot more a lot more quickly, to help limit some of the grave impacts of climate change.

Curtis:

Thank you, doctor, and thank you for being here. And thank you for all the work that you do on the climate Paris Agreement. I'm pretty familiar with it. And I follow it very often. So I'm excited with this newest administration and what they're going to do for it. But talk to us a little bit about the Keystone pipeline. I know it's very controversial, and everyone seems to have an opinion. Could you drop some facts for us on what this means? Well, I

Unknown:

think the most important fact is that our dependence on fossil fuels is fueling not just a climate crisis, but a grave public health crisis. Just today, there was a major study out from Harvard University pointing out that globally over 8 million people a year die prematurely because of harmful pollution caused by fossil fuels. So this is a here and now crisis in addition to the climate crisis that these fuels are causing. But here's the other piece, we do need to have good paying jobs, union jobs in this country, we have rising in income inequality. And that's really put working people at a disadvantage. We have to invest in job creation, we have to invest in good job creation. And the Keystone XL pipeline is yes, something that is totally incompatible with a climate safe future. But it's not enough just to cancel projects, we have to make sure we're investing in creating jobs. And that's what this administration has also promised to do, and they need to deliver on that promise. We need to hold them to that promise.

Raylene:

You also do a lot of work on climate and the inequalities from the impacts. Can you tell us more about your work in that area?

Unknown:

The thing about climate change is it's laying bare a lot of the existing inequalities that are there in our country, long standing racism, socio economic inequalities, climate is just as additional risk layer. And what we're finding is that the people were disproportionately exposed to the impacts of climate change whether it be flood During extreme heat, these worsening storms and hurricanes wildfires, they tend to be people who are lower income or communities of color. This is also true in terms of who is being worse affected, frankly, by the COVID-19 crisis right now. So we have to understand that when you have these major crises, like a health crisis, or the climate crisis, they just exacerbate these underlying challenges our nation has the positive side of this is if we implement the right solutions, we can actually address all of these crises at the same time, if we shift for example, from fossil fuels, to cleaner forms of energy, we can clean up the air and water we can create jobs. And we can cut these heat trapping emissions that are fueling climate change. That's the promise of this moment. And we really have to seize it, because that's what people around our nation need right now.

Bradford :

That's awesome. Thank you very much for all of that very helpful information. We're gonna jump now into our lightning round. I'm gonna start us off here. What is your favorite hobby or pastime? Something that you'd like to do when you're not working?

Unknown:

I love to cook and read with my children. I have two teenagers and I love hanging out with them and my husband cooking or reading?

Steve:

Well, that leads into my question pretty well. What is one meal you could eat every day? If you had one to eat for the rest of your day? What would it be?

Unknown:

Thai food? Good choice.

Curtis:

What's the biggest thing you miss? Since COVID? Came vacations, etc.

Unknown:

Oh, my family is very far away. We are a family of four continent family. We call ourselves each member of my nuclear family is born on a different continent. And so that means we have very far flung family that we haven't seen in over a year. So yeah, that's what I missed the most. 

Bradford :

That is awesome. Dr. Rachel Cletus, you

Steve:

are great, full of surprises, right.

Bradford :

Where can we learn more about the work that you do as well as the Union of Concerned Scientists?

Unknown:

Well, we please go to our website UCS USA dot o RG. And please join our science network. If you're a scientist, join our activist network, you can get alerts and news about science based policymaking.

Bradford :

That's awesome. Dr. Rachel Cletus, thank you so much for spending your time with us here on the show. We truly appreciate it. We're gonna we're gonna put her Yes, thank you. We're gonna drop her links in the description here as well as on the guest page. So you can check out more information about Dr. Cletus and the Union of Concerned Scientists there. Well, she was awesome. I learned a lot so

Steve:

I said a long time ago, I said I'm going to ask every guest what their favorite swear is because it just it's just it's everyone's gonna say fuck it and since I've said that it's never worked out. And I I I had a written down that's what the scribble on my piece of paper is I it was my first lightning round question.

Unknown:

Go you

Steve:

know, what I heard her tone of voice and and what we're talking about and just, I I judge someone based off their profession and their voice and I didn't think that she would answer that question. I did not think she would answer in that style. No,

Raylene:

I really thought she was gonna be like not

Unknown:

she was gonna

Steve:

get in there too. She

Bradford :

was just like, we had to get the shit done. And you're dealing with

Curtis:

she's dealing with that better be her attitude.

Bradford :

Right. You know, politics aside to be there in Paris when that was being drafted up must have been a really cool experience. Like

Steve:

it was a little refreshing to hear that you think you know, cuz she's about climate, and then I'm putting air quotes and that all democrats care about the climate, the fact that she was like, Yeah, they said, they're gonna do whatever they need to back it up. Like, it wasn't like, oh, the Biden administration is here, and everything's beautiful. Everything's gonna be working. Like they really it seemed like to me, she really genuinely only cares about the environment, and then she could give a damn of who's in charge. Yeah,

Bradford :

the whole organization. The Union of Concerned Scientists is a non political organization we need exactly

Raylene:

that was really hard for me to sit through sober.

Unknown:

I felt

Bradford :

we were not drinking wine tonight because it's snowing here in Connecticut, where we're recording and there's your silver. Yeah, we thought we thought it would be best to not drink and drive home. You know, hashtag adulting responsibly.

Steve:

So I was down. I live two minutes. Oh, yeah.

Raylene:

You can walk. drive through Norwich with your mercedes, mercedes. They don't

Steve:

pull over Mercedes in Norwich.

Raylene:

No, but the roads are crappy and people just like the snow and they haven't moved their cars since they probably don't run their cars. And so there's like a three Foot berm beside each cars. So there's like a three foot roadway. And then there's the line.

Curtis:

And so the way you said no to him just was like everything. He was like, Oh, you know, they don't pull over Mercedes. No, they know.

Steve:

Now a white lady driving a manly Yeah.

Raylene:

No, actually, I worry all the time that I'm gonna pull over get pulled over because because I am in a Mercedes and I'm like, this bitch can afford a ticket. And I'm like, I can't even afford premium fuel. So, could you

Unknown:

just lay off or talk about it? I'm like in this break.

Bradford :

So what was like the moment that you're driving your car that you felt maybe, I mean, you're sitting behind this, this beast of a vehicle, and it can pretty much get through like any weather conditions. But how is it doing ice? I mean, do you have moments where you're like, oh, maybe this isn't? Well,

Raylene:

I used to live in Alaska. And let me just tell you that four wheels don't stop as fast as two wheels. Don't stop when you're on ice. True. Now you do have four better chances to catch a dry spot. But when I lived in Alaska, you would see more for four by fours in the ditches than regular cars, because regular cars were more careful, right? Yeah. Right. I've, I've felt to get squirrely underneath me a few times. And I've thought that I just bought direct my Benz and then it corrected. But it also has this mode mode called snow mode. And so you can just switch it over and then my car, my car just goes, I got you. I swear to God,

Steve:

what if what if all of those are just a placebo effect? And now I just really see a little bit.

Raylene:

No, no, what happens? changes the world. The first thing you'll notice is you can't spin out like when you go to accelerate out of like from the stopped, right? It won't go fast. It's like you have to really put you gotta be like, no, come on. I want to go.

Unknown:

Hurry up now. Yeah, and it goes. I don't

Steve:

have an SUV. That's like a low setting. I have it in my Subaru. Right? Yeah, took my four wheel low. So it stays in like first second gear and it doesn't give you a high rpm. So you can't.

Bradford :

That's why the people from the Carolinas are spinning out because they think in snow. They gotta put the pedal to the metal. Right? You're tired or Yeah, they can't grip you need to go nice. No, they're just

Unknown:

horrible

Raylene:

things. They're used to style. They're not but like I said, I mean, I lived in Alaska from 18 to 2022. And I drove I drove a orange 1978 Datsun rear wheel drive pickup truck in Alaska.

Steve:

It's probably still that's probably the best rainbow vehicle in Arizona.

Raylene:

So you know, once you get in the other vehicles, it's not as bad.

Bradford :

I went to a training in South Carolina, and they had a dusting of snow and it was like they'd never had snow and like the longest time like years and years and years they had this dusting of snow and they were like everyone in the hotel was I was like Oh, it's you New Englanders. You brought it with you. The whole state shut down.

Steve:

Do you remember I got stuck in a highway for three days people died? Yeah. No inches or three inches of snow plows? How the fuck do you died? Three

Raylene:

are so much traffic. How did the snow even get to the ground?

Unknown:

Right? texting drinking.

Bradford :

While the New England are walking on the highway, like

Raylene:

it looked like The Walking Dead.

Steve:

I was on my way here today. This dude in a fucking explorer doing 15 miles an hour. And it's like we're in mid to end the winter. Dude, if this was the first snowstorm and there's a dusting on the ground, and it's slushy, okay, like we've already gone through about two feet by now a two inches of snow.

Curtis:

Right? Let's go. We now know how you drive. Just pull around me. Yeah,

Steve:

we're already New Englanders. Listen, the guy doing 10 miles an hour in the snow is way more dangerous in front of you because he's breaking. And then you're gonna hate him. And then you're fixing his car. Right? hate that.

Unknown:

I remember.

Raylene:

Last year, I was on my way to Utah. And I had to go to the airport and I had to be there for 6am and it was like the first snowstorm of the season. And I was terrified all the way there and and like the roads had not been plowed at all yet because of where I was. And it was it was scary. And I saw somebody do like a full 360 in front of me. I was like they went and then they turn around and then they're facing me and then they're all the way around the other way and then they just took off again and I was like I've never driven so slow in my life, but I needed at the airport.

Curtis:

Have you guys ever tried to do a burnout in the snow?

Raylene:

I used to do them to

Bradford :

Donna back when I mean

Raylene:

I used to do the thing with the pull up the brake the emergency brake and do donuts and parking lots can't do that.

Steve:

My first my first car was at 98 grand grand cherokee for a jeep and that's I went out when it snowed I waited for the peak of it. I remember it caught me and my friends would drive around smoking weed one time and went through the middle intersection three o'clock in the morning on a snowy night because we know it's not gonna wear at school the next day, and one of the cops who harass us all the time sees us and decides to follow me now he's pulled me over three o'clock and worn on a Wednesday. I dropped it in that little low. I just took off as leftenant I'm gonna throw his lights on but like I went up to about 35 miles an hour he was just he was back there so the Jeep yeah and I was doing donuts in the middle of town and

Bradford :

this kid I went to school with went to McDonald's and pretty much closed the place down and took two of the trays that they put your food on when you eaten outside of the restaurant. Yeah, and when they closed they put the trays under their I think it was back tires. And then they like I know some of them. I don't know exactly how that went. But they were basically like lighting all around like the parking lot.

Curtis:

I've never heard that but I know it was that McDonald speaking of McDonald's the other day and you know coming out a driver I wanted a mcflurry and it did not so McDonald Stop lying to me. I need my McLaren. But anyway, so

Raylene:

that was I was literally saying like, what would you run McDonald's for? I'm a clerk.

Curtis:

I really wanted him to clean and warm cookies. So good. But anyway, so I'm pulling out I was very upset because I didn't get my McLaren I didn't want anything else and what do I see an SUV with a guy with a robe and like skis just going down? No, like legit. I was like this is better than a mcflurry

Bradford :

Welcome to New England I love it

Steve:

we tied a sled to the back of a Volvo one winter vacation went up and down my my friend had a straightaway and what was cool is you when you were like 10 feet of rope and we got up like 40 miles an hour one point you can let go and you still for a short period of time are going the same speed so it's fine you could let go of the rope and just grab the rope again my friend went a little far and when there's a ton of down the road and my other buddy Alex learned about g force real quick curb like six feet in the air and then a bush is it was one of those we were too old to run away but if we were oh my god he would have been in the woods all day long because it was bad it was bad he didn't get hurt but yeah we we stopped that's New England

Curtis:

were you a sled person or tube

Steve:

I like a sled but a tube guts all at speed and bounces nicely you can ran into people with no pain for like it was great

Raylene:

at my age and weight I don't do a lot of sledding anymore because I could break but I remember at last year I was like this is this is fucking high intensity interval training like you get to slide down the hill for 30 seconds and then five minutes intensity five minutes you're hauling your fat ass back up to the top of that hill to go down for another

Steve:

last time I went I went my buddy maybe like five years ago we went down once went up went down a second time and no joke we went good because I don't want to go back up. He was like dude, I'm so glad you said that.

Raylene:

It was amazing to have kids got to be there for

Steve:

them and just pull it right back up.

Bradford :

My brother hooked the tube up to his four wheeler and took a corner really quick with me on the back in the tube and went over this little It was literally like a like just a little brim kind of I hit that I launched way in there I've

Steve:

never it's like when you watch people to being on water but except you were on hard surface. Right? I was on snow and

Unknown:

into the room like

Raylene:

you would have been fun kid to fuck with

Unknown:

you flying off somewhere in

Bradford :

my family. My family expected me to be like a real man all the time because I grew up with two brothers who were the real battle man. So I we had this ditch It was like, I don't know, maybe six foot ditch with water and had frozen over there was like that layer of like super thin ice almost looks like glass on top. And my brother was doing something with his working stairs. And I grew up around cows. So I knew that they could be temperamental, but history is we're not having it that day. And I was in back of the stairs. And the stair just like looked at him and he's like, I'm gonna kick this little fucker in the ditch. And he just went and launched into the ditch through the ice, like, lost my breath in the cold water. So my brother comes over they still there.

Steve:

Are they still there?

Raylene:

She said I'm gonna kick this little fucker in the deck.

Unknown:

I'm there.

Bradford :

I'm there in the ditch and my brother comes like walking up and you can just see his you know, head body's getting closer to me and he goes get up and being man. I'm like, are you not aware of what just happened to me? woman? Yeah. Well, we've had a ton of practice. I should have been Pinocchio in another life. Right? Well, we've had a ton of fun with you and we want to thank you for joining us. Remember to share our podcast, you can be sure to always share our podcast with your friends and family. After all, we are funny, we enjoy what we do and we hope that you enjoy it as well. Also, be sure to connect with us. Let us know your thoughts on this week's hot topics. You can weigh in on the conversation at www dot undebatable dot show. To make it even easier. We've included the links in the episode show notes below. Lastly, we kindly ask for your support of our podcast you can become a member of the undebatable Patreon page where you'll have an all access exclusive look behind the scenes you can view extras videos photos soon to come discounted merge and so much more. The link for that also to our Patreon page can be found down in the show notes Until next week, all of us here at on debatable hope you have yourself Great week,

Keith:

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Guest

Rachel Cleetus is the policy director with the Climate and Energy program at the Union of Concerned Scientists. She leads the program’s efforts in designing effective and equitable policies to address climate change, and advocating for their implementation. Dr. Cleetus is an expert in policies to promote clean energy and drive deep cuts in heat-trapping emissions from the power sector. She also does research on the risks and costs of climate impacts and is an expert on policies to promote climate resilience. She brings over twenty years of experience working on US climate and clean energy policies. She is also an expert on the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) process and has been attending international climate negotiations since 2009. Dr. Cleetus holds a PhD and an MA in economics from Duke University and a BS in economics from West Virginia University.

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