Nov. 17, 2020

Turkey in the Straw....Then on the Plate

Turkey in the Straw....Then on the Plate

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Keith:

trivia time. What happens when you put for highly opinionated friends for microphones and breaking news and controversial topics in a blender? You get one hell of a podcast. This is undebatable, a hysterical and thought provoking podcast that sees for friends from different backgrounds debate hot button issues that affect our modern world hot button issues. For quick witted hosts, if it's political news, pop culture news or weird news. We're talking about it. This is undebatable. And here are your hosts Raylene, Curtis, Steve and Bradford.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

All right. Hello, and welcome to Episode Four of undebatable. I am one of your hosts Bradford. We also of course have with us, Curtis, we've got Raylene and Steve is here in studio with us as well. Very excited to be here. You've been listening to us now for a few episodes. So hopefully, you've liked what you've heard so far. And there's a great way to be notified every single time a new episode drops. And that is by liking this podcast and also subscribing to the podcast as well. So go ahead and smash that like button. And of course, that subscribe button that way, every single time we drop an episode. You can hear more of us because let's be real, they can't get enough of us.

Steve:

I mean, it was pretty cool with like, my Spotify dropped down there that I was like undebatable Episode Three ready to go. And I'm like that was pretty. That's pretty cool. You're like, that's

Unknown:

us.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

That's us. It's insane. Yeah. How's it ruins week?

Raylene:

Oh, that was the worst time to ask that question before.

Curtis:

Unlike clubs, bars, restaurants shut down at 930 getting a bite to eat is hard. It gets dark way too soon. And this transition is the transition from hell for our presidency. That's my wrap up of my weekend. Absolutely.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

You know, Caitlyn Jenner's transition went a whole hell of a lot smoother than this transition. That's,

Steve:

that's it looks a lot better to

Curtis:

it. Right.

Raylene:

Angie got Woman of the Year so yeah,

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

we're winning no awards with this transition. That's for sure. Yeah. I it's just, it's crazy. The legal battle keeps going on. Like, dude, you're not winning. Just drop it already. Like he's like a baby.

Steve:

It's over. It's like if you failed all your classes at school, and then you sued the school. Like, well, look what it's not the schools. You failed, bro. That's the reality of it.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

You lost it's over. It's an ego thing. It's completely credit.

Curtis:

Well, like that's his response. Can I get extra credit? Like is there a cop question at the end of it? So even when it's like ridiculous at this point?

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

Yeah, I'm still I

Steve:

it's a it's a PR move. Really? It just so that like the people that don't want to accept it? It what's crazy is like his press secretary was asked the other day. Hey, are is President Trump going to be a Biden Alexa inauguration? And she goes, Yeah, he'll bet inauguration his own and it's like you guys, you're gonna joke like, are you? You're living in a fantasy world. I don't know. But just for him, or what it is. But I mean, history is gonna record all of this and you're gonna they're all gonna be embarrassed down the road.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

Yeah. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the exact same thing at a press conference. He was like, there will be a smooth transition into a second. Donald Trump. It's like crazy, right? Get over yourself. You've lost? Yeah,

Raylene:

I like how you didn't put this on the notes. Because you know, I probably would have called out sick.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

really loves politics. For our listeners who don't know,

Raylene:

cannot stay I just I skip it. And if I see anybody posting rage on either side, I unfollow them and I don't need the negativity in my life. Whatever happens, Jerry, where's gonna happen?

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

There you go. Absolutely. Well, we've got lots of fun stuff to talk about today. That's not politically related. We've been, we're gonna be talking about the fact that it may or may not be okay. To tell your significant other than that. They're getting fat. Yeah, it's listening. It's a hot button issue. It's a hot button issue, also canceled culture? Is it? Is it a bad precedent that we've set? Is it okay? Are there good things about are there bad things about it? So we'll be talking about that. And then of course, moderna. they've released a vaccine and Pfizer's also released a vaccine. And we're gonna give you our, our take on that. And actually, that's our first topic of discussion here is the vaccine. So you know, as you guys know, they released some preliminary numbers that are not as bad as I had initially thought. I think the flu vaccine and I could be wrong here but I think it's only like 60% out, or like seven out of it. It's it's lower than You would initially think, but these numbers are pretty good. modernes coming in at 95% effective and in some of the studies and Pfizer's at 90%. So apes are humans. They've actually tested this on humans.

Curtis:

I want to know how many it sounds speculative or 90%.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

Effective? Well, that's just it. And that's why it's sort of a I guess it's up for debate. That's up for debate, right? Is the safe or not? Because normally, in clinical trials, they're they're testing this on, like, I think a ton of people in this operation warp speed, which has real good intent behind it. But I think it reduces if I'm correct the amount of people that they need to kind of run these clinical trials on. So it kind of brings us to the ultimate question. Is it safe? And would you guys take it once it once it's released?

Steve:

I mean, I don't even get

Keith:

the flu shot.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

Yeah, I don't get the flu shot, either. I mean, I don't have anything against vaccines. But go ahead. Really,

Raylene:

the difference is so and I think everybody knows this is true, when they're giving you a flu shot, it's the one they think is going to be the biggest one that year. So it's it's hit or miss, because there's a million different variations of the type of foods that are going to come out. And it could or could not be the right one. And because the core strand of flu is similar to other ones, if you get the flu shot, and it's not the right one, it could decrease how bad the one you do get is. And so when we're talking about COVID-19 right now, they're probably working on one main strand, although I've heard there's already 4000 different variations of the COVID already because it replicates itself, and it changes based on who's it and so no, I'm not taking a shot. And I'm, you know, not until it's been through hell lot more testing. And I'm not going to be the one I tested on

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

Yeah, no, I there's a there was a running joke that someone had had mentioned, on YouTube, and they were like, you know, let's have Anthony falchi take it and then I'll take some from that exact same vial. You know, right.

Steve:

I'm sure he would. I mean, I'm sure he would do it. It just it's funny that, like, yeah, we heard of Pfizer, like no one. No one questions Viagra. Right? We're all we're all willing to take that but then I don't know the company name. Madonna. I don't know just sounds like why couldn't be called like Daisy flowers. You know, it just sounds like a conspiracy theory company already. So I can already. I mean, like you guys said, like, once more testing comes down the road. I'd be cool. I mean, if I had COVID, they'll stick you with this now. It'll go away forever. I'll do it. But I mean, oh, no, wait a couple months. Your neighbor starts growing a new nose on his forehead or something, then maybe not do it. But yeah, I mean, 95% is anything 95%?

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

Right. I mean, even the bluecoat viagara was a complete mistake. It was supposed to be a medicine to lower blood pressure. And it did the complete opposite. Yeah. They're like, what are your side effects? And the guy's like, I'm filling up on life, like really up?

Steve:

Walking through doors in public is awkward. Yeah. The subway has been a real challenge. Yeah.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

It's absolutely crazy. Yeah. So So Curtis, would you would you take it, if it was offered are?

Curtis:

Absolutely not, it could be free, and I wouldn't take it. There's not enough testing, I need to know who regulates it, um, and which areas they were testing it in. And, you know, let's face it, you know, medicine is a gamble. And I'm not looking to be one of the guinea pigs in what they're gambling with. There's too much money. There's too much things at stake earlier on. That gives Pfizer the incentives and or the FDA, to loosen restrictions to make sure that we can combat this this economy that's failing, because of COVID. So there's just way too many variables that are uncontrolled, and I don't trust the FDA. And in terms of how they're monitoring, you know, what consists within this drugs on the side of spades? But

Steve:

none of us are not taking it because we think Bill Gates are trying to control our minds, though, right? Like, there's no conspiracy theory behind you're not taking it. Because there's a lot of like, anti vaxxers who aren't taking it not off the safety of it for the reliability just because it's a vaccine and they don't they don't fuck with vaccines. Yeah,

Raylene:

well, that's a different that's a different discussion altogether. Yeah, I'm

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

not like an anti vaxxer. Yeah, whatsoever. In fact,

Unknown:

I,

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

you know, I'm a scientist, I love science. My degree is a science degree wildlife conservation. But, you know, obviously, it's still in the sciences. It's not vaccines, but it's, you know, and I believe in data. So I'm not like an anti vaxxer. But it's, it's that exact same roots that I have in science that, you know, I know that something like this, there's a reason why vaccines have always taken so long to hit the marketplace. And that's because all of those safeguards that are in place are there to make sure that before we inject this faxing to mass amounts of people that it's safe. So, you know, when something is rushed through like this, and I and I get the intent behind it is good. I get that. But, you know, at, at what costs are, are we, you know, going to be inflicting that on people if it's if it's not safe, so

Steve:

yes, can't take it back. Wait,

Curtis:

I made you $100,000 What do you stand in line to take this box? Right now?

Raylene:

Yeah, for $100,000 Oh, yeah, line,

Ceil:

you can bring it to me.

Steve:

She shoot me twice?

Curtis:

Yeah,

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

I would. Yeah. I mean, you know, it. The vaccine itself is made up of RNA and surface proteins. So it's it's a it's not like they're injecting live cultures like they do with the flu inside of you. So they're not giving you Wait, wait, have you

Curtis:

read the back of a water bottle?

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

I believe it I, the back of a water bottle? It depends on which one? I mean that smartwater? I'm still stupid as hell. So I don't know. I'm not convinced. But Poland springs, I mean, it's right from the spring, right?

Curtis:

No, absolutely not. But my, my point is, you can't believe the little disclaimer on the back, it's always missing the actual fine print that should be in there. Um, so I just feel it's unsafe, it's too soon. And it should it come out next year. I mean, this is a very quick turnaround for a vaccination this quick, we can't even get 95% testing. So I just don't trust it to that. But

Raylene:

I would say that I'm a big proponent of things shouldn't go out until it's been, you know, generationally tested. So if you're going to be testing this test, test it on people who are past, having babies age, and you know, basically people who are older, who like, it's not the end of the world, if they die, like me. Like, I'm not having any more kids, I'm not gonna, you know, like, pass anything in through my DNA. And, you know, the people who are at the highest risk, and people who are not likely to be passing it on to just see, I don't know, why not putting it into the military first is highly suspicious to me.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

Oh, then there's that bright? Well, they are giving it to our frontline health care workers. And I don't think that they would make a mistake of giving it to all the EMAS and all the nurses and doctors, because if we kill all them, or we make them horribly sick, we've just really stuck a knife our own backs, you know, so I, there's that.

Curtis:

What he's saying is they need about 100,000 people to die first, and then they'll give it to our military. And we need some trial and error period first. So no testing, I mean, testing for us, but we will not take this fascination of any sort. Unless you're paying $100,000 cash, no credit card, and no, yeah,

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

there you go. So cancel that we're canceling it,

Steve:

or a PlayStation five. I'll take that as.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

So we're canceling it just like canceled culture. It's like, this is a phenomenon that's relatively new. It's not brand new, but it's it's been around for about, I don't know, three years, two or three years, right. As of late, we're just canceling everything. Somebody says something, or trying to write

Raylene:

we they but they

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

are they and who is that? Right. That's that's the thing. I've heard a few times and I'm not getting political. But I've heard a few times that some people say that it's like the democrats brought upon this, you know, canceled culture.

Steve:

But I think Bill Clinton would disagree with that. Right.

Ceil:

But he didn't get canceled.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

He didn't get cancer. He didn't get canceled. But there's there's a whole you know, there's a few people that stick out in my mind. The what's the southern cook there? Apollo Dean, right? She's like, one of the first right? Wasn't she kind of like when she got completely shredded, she got canceled. And then who came after that? there's a there's a whole bunch of other people. What's the Matt Lauer on? Yeah, and then B was the MSE or CBS,

Steve:

it was NBC NBC, right?

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

So these people say things and I'm not saying that what they're saying is right or wrong, but the whole, like, let's ruin their career and put them in the gutter. What are we doing? Is that is that okay? Is it not? Okay? I mean, can they just apologize and then we move forward? Where's the line?

Curtis:

I mean, it depends on context of what's being said or what what habits were being displayed. One of the tough ones for me was our Kelly. One of my favorite songs is dancing the name of the love and I'm very conflicted as to if I'm on a cruise, if I'm allowed to dance to that song or if he's canceled permanently. So cancer culture is a hard one for me. I don't believe in it. I believe in giving people a second chance. But then again, when you're our Kelly does the music suffice over what he did to NSA woman so it's a hard one for me. We've gone too far.

Steve:

We do not play our Kelly on the radio. Like we were like stopped playing her Kelly on the radio. You know, what is played every day? Michael Jackson?

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

Oh my Yeah,

Steve:

I mean, granted Michael Jackson's convicted in prison. I mean, we know where he is now. But still, he's never convicted of anything but like Michael Jackson's estate, just made $48 million last year, the number one grossing dead estate of any celebrity and I mean, we all know Michael Jackson store. I don't care what you want to go watch a documentary. That's fascinating. Some at least some weird stuffs going on there. So like, we don't cancel Michael Jackson because he's dead. Right? So, but we do need to have a line like, should The Cosby Show be on TV? Fuck no, no, absolutely not. But like,

Raylene:

I don't know, we don't need it like way more than just Bill Cosby. And that's the other actors in that too, because none of them are gonna get royalties because he's a piece of shit.

Steve:

Yeah. And but the victims that would have to sit there and see him or then the people that know what he did and also where sexual assault victims and and watching the guy and TV so like,

Raylene:

nothing can change the channel. That's what I was gonna say. Yeah,

Steve:

it works. And that's it. That's a that's a really fair argument. But I feel like the public like we can't come out with our pitchforks anymore. So we come out with our hashtags. And okay.

Raylene:

So listen to Chris Brown. Because that one pisses me off, was formerly smacked around by a guy, you know, and, and I get super mad because God dammit, I like some of his music. But then I'm like, I can't I don't want to listen to your music. You know? That's how many fucks I give

Steve:

what shows you. It shows you where we put singers and entertainers compared like, if a news anchor did that their career be over. But if I'm a singer, I can go. I mean, we all know like Tina Turner, right? We all know all the stories throughout entertainment of husbands beating their wives and nothing happening to them.

Curtis:

Right. kancil culture is like the new law. It's like social media became the justice of America where if you're cancelled via social media, then that's it. It's a rap. Or as in the court of law, you can get away with things not get away. You have your legal proceedings, and you're guilty and you're innocent until proven guilty. But unfortunately, with the social media, you are guilty as well. Guilty. Yeah,

Raylene:

you're just guilty and guilty. Nobody gives a shit. It's like that, though. And that's the thing that pisses me off is he gets some girl and goes on a date and she doesn't like how it went. So, you know, instead of just walking out, you know, like I'm talking about that. Indian comedian,

Steve:

Aziz Ansari.

Raylene:

Oh, that's bullshit. That was a bad date. That was not a sexual assault. And so it just, you know, that kind of shit frustrates me because they're never given an opportunity. The other comedian Louie ck. Uh, I mean, those were adult women.

Steve:

I mean, you should be fired, but to be banned from I mean, what he did was creepy as fuck. I mean, he was like, jerking off people. But like, but yeah, okay, you're gone, you're done. But like, the guy's never allowed to ever have a career ever again. After that.

Raylene:

He's already good. He's gonna get his career back. Because people like to laugh. And also, that's one of those things where somebody, you know, they said it, and it happened. But is it enough to ruin his life. I mean, if you don't want a guy to masturbate in front of you just leave the room.

Steve:

But being a high profile person in society, you do have more responsibility than other people, whether you like it or not, to have those extra abilities of being famous and those luxuries, it comes with that. Whether you like it or not, you have to have the public behind you to be a public figure, you need that you need the public. If the public turns against you. Well, we're we're coming to get you and that's that's kind of the way that problem.

Raylene:

Well, there's no people were against him. A lot of people were just like, I don't give a shit. Yeah, that was a bad thing. Yeah. And that's the problem is the canceled culture. They will attack anybody who doesn't agree with them.

Curtis:

Well, curious.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

Well, yeah, I mean, there's, yeah, go ahead, Curtis. Sorry.

Curtis:

I was just gonna say it sounds like a mom. It sounds terrifying. Yeah,

Raylene:

yeah. That's what has turned into its big social media mob.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

The guy that worked for the New York Post and was also a contributor for CNN. He was caught jerking off life. retopo Jeffrey Tobin right. I believe was in it on error while they were like it

Steve:

was it was like afterwards or something with that, but I guess the camera was on he was doing his thing he was one of the guests on that show must have been smoking hot. That's like all I'm saying, like to get done with your thing. And that's really I got to do this right now. Like one of the other guests on the show must have been really hot.

Curtis:

Yeah, this sounds like stupidity. Nothing that has to be canceled. What?

Steve:

Yeah, he lost his job he wants to he left his zoom screen on, walked away and started doing his thing. Right on camera. And they didn't do they didn't put it on TV, but like,

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

Yeah, no, they were like, we're not displaying this.

Unknown:

for good reason.

Curtis:

My computer can be off and as long as it's open. I feel like it's staring at me with this crook man did that

Steve:

he can The interview was an interview. Oh my god. Yes, I

Keith:

did so good old

Raylene:

white guy. So there's really good chance that he had no idea that there was ever a camera anywhere near him. That's true.

Steve:

Now he knows they're

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

all dumb. Most laptops have that little like that little slide, you can slide that over the camera there.

Steve:

I jerked off on camera, he is

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

unaware of that. Literally unaware that. He's computer maybe even has a camera. You know he was doing an interview.

Raylene:

Oh, man, this is so funny. I'm just not. I mean, kancil culture is the new boycott. boycott didn't work. So now we just viciously attack you until we win.

Unknown:

Yeah, right.

Raylene:

I don't care for right. Yeah, I mean, is where we are right? Because we said we're right.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

Exactly. No, that's it. It Listen, if someone did something extremely egregious, then they should be canceled. And you know what? See you later. But there's a lot of instances to and I'm not saying I don't believe people, I don't want to you know, I'm gonna get a lot of flashback for this, I think but, you know, there are certain things where it's one person's word against another person's word. And I do think that we should take a woman seriously if she says something. But how do we know that maybe it was like a date that maybe just didn't go right. And like you were talking about railing, right. And now, the woman's just making up a story to get the guy in trouble because she can. Right. So I think that we need to believe women. Definitely. I'm not saying that. And I could see where this could be taken the other way. But I don't have

Raylene:

to believe them unequivocally without any sort of variety, anything.

Steve:

If a woman says that that happened to her, I'm not gonna say that she wasn't assaulted. But I'm also not going to turn around and call someone a rapist. At the same time. I always try to stay in the middle on those The Cosby situation, you got like 35 people saying, right? You know what I mean? Like, if you have one person, it's like, hey, that could be a bad situation. But like, I've never had that happen to me once. I knew 35 times, like getting

Curtis:

the right clip at the wrong time. And that's it, you're just cancelled. So there's no you tell your side of story or see the other minute of the 32nd clip that they showed on social media. So it's just, it's unfortunate. But to your point, Bradford, the opposite of that would be me believing what's his name, Jessie smell it from? Empire. I truly wanted to believe that this man was mugged and robbed and attacked viciously because he was gay. And it comes to find out he set up the whole entire thing. So it's like, people do come out here lying and doing things for what do they call that cloud?

Steve:

And they do damage to all the real victims out there in the world? No, it's really sad.

Raylene:

And that's, that is the truth. The other thing I hate is when somebody goes digging for 10 years to find something that you said 10 years ago, and tries to bring it up now as if it's current,

Steve:

that's fair, but you should all if you're a famous person from seeing it happen to so many people now, have you not gone through shit? Like,

Raylene:

famous people? Do you remember the kid last year at some football game had put up a sign that said, you know, need beer money? Venmo me and he got like a million Venmo donations. And then some reporter went back 10 years it was history when he was 18. And he had said something. He had said my N word talking about his friends and my n words hanging out. And so then everybody was trying to cancel him. And then the people went back into that reporters 10 years and found him talking some smack Okay, people.

Unknown:

So

Raylene:

knock it off, knock it off. What possible reason did you have for searching this kid's entire Twitter history to he raised a million dollars and donated it to charity. And then you want to just take him down for the sake of being taken down. And then got an epic karmic bitch lab. Yeah,

Curtis:

people are bored or really miserable. There. Yeah.

Raylene:

That's crazy. So that's the kind of shit that pisses me off. If you're going back 510 15 years to try to find something bad that somebody said you're just a dick.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

True, true. Well, that brings us into our next topic. Are you addicted? If you tell your significant other that they're getting fat? Or is that just like, courtesy? Well,

Steve:

I was like, this kind of like a problem for me. Like, I'm like, the most out of shape I've ever been right now. And I'm like, seeing someone for like, almost like four months now. And I'm like, even before I was trying to get in the gym, but like, whatever, you know, I'll start later. So now like, I really do need to like I'm like, I'm, I'm getting fat. So I keep

Ceil:

fat happy painting on my Hey,

Steve:

I'm gonna I'm gonna go to the gym. I go to the gym, but I don't want to and I'm just waiting for her to be like, yo, bro, you're fat. You gotta go and then I'll be okay. I'll go tomorrow. But like, that's never gonna happen. So like, Is it wrong? Like I would appreciate if someone did it to me, like, would I be able to go home? That's him saying no. But is it wrong? No, cuz I would appreciate it.

Curtis:

I know. I was gonna say the same thing as a former person who was very, very heavy, like a whole large pizza to the face like I was 340 ish pounds before and now I'm what 109 190 or so right now. So I would want someone to remind me of my fat when you were like, you don't want to be that

Steve:

if you're a 270 someone's like Curtis. You're getting fat as hell, bro.

Curtis:

They were like you still just as cute and just like No, absolutely not. Did you not see all of me?

Raylene:

Did you see the backside because the backside was also part of the fun

Steve:

putting on shirts, button down shirts that don't fit anymore. Like I'm at that point, like shirts are uncomfortable. Yes.

Raylene:

But Steve, you're not like a button down shirt fit across my boobs since I was 16.

Steve:

I didn't have boobs before this and now they're starting to come in.

Unknown:

So really would you be?

Curtis:

Would you be pissed if your husband came up to you? And he was just like, so Hey, babe, I just wanted to you know, go to the gym, start going to the gym. I got you this a free membership under my black card. Do you want to start going every Thursday night,

Raylene:

I would take the whole family tries it and I'm like, I will go when I'm ready to go. So I have lost and gained a shit ton of weight over my life. And so back when Mike and I first Well, not when we first got married, but I guess maybe we were married maybe five or six years. And I had had my second daughter and I chopped up. And so I started doing this body for life thing. And I was working out all the time I was working out I was eating right I was lifting weights. I mean, I was smoking hot. And the problem with that is that anytime I went somewhere, guys flirt with me and I have a flirtatious personality even now, and he would get super pissed. And and like he yelled at me one time because the grocery guy was flirting with me. And I was like, dude, if you can't believe that, I just love you because I love you. Please believe that I'm not leaving you for a guy that works in a grocery store. He might

Steve:

he might skip a few items on the scanner for you though. Free bananas era

Raylene:

relationship. But anyway, so he started to get like really pissy about it. And always I wasn't allowed to go anywhere. Where was I gonna be? Who was I gonna be with? And finally, one day, we had gotten in a huge fight. And I and I said, You know, I just, you know, I, I get compliments from the guys, and you never compliment me. And he said, That's because I love you the way you are. And that's never gonna change. And this bitch gained 30 pounds in 30 days. 30 days, he says he goes, you know, you seem

Ceil:

like you were a lot happier

Raylene:

when you're going to the gym every day. And I was like, No, that's that ship sailed. That was a lot of work. And I don't feel like fighting about it anymore.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

So I guess there's nice ways of doing it then. Right? Like, like Chris was saying, you could just be like, Hey, I got this gym membership. You want to go with me? I could use a workout. But like, you could use subtle hints. Like, I think if you come straight out with it, and just be like, Really? I thought that was very slick.

Unknown:

Oh, yeah, that's not all we're saying

Raylene:

is when they're being told they're fat.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

I mean, look at the contrast. If I say hey, you're really fat, you should go work out right compared to Hey, I want to go to the gym and I want to work out but I kind of want to buddy Do you want to come with me? Right? Like that's

Steve:

what if you didn't like a cute way like you started a little belly over there? What's that? What's that little thing? You got there? You'll you wanna? Yeah, sir. going on walks after dinner at

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

night or something like that divorce right there.

Steve:

But I'd rather be told Hey, dude, you're getting fat. Then be like, yeah, I'm done. See you.

Raylene:

Alright, Steve, if you need to hear it. You're getting a shot. You might want to skip that medium buffalo chicken shoots Maybe?

Steve:

Maybe you should be like, hey, my my crushing you during sex. Like is that the line?

Ceil:

Maybe get a salad.

Steve:

I haven't getting Sal I get a Caesar salad. That gigantic get the whole damn thing. Is that healthy? Like, I don't even know if a Caesar salad is healthy.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

Oh my God, that's

Raylene:

it'll just depend on your relationship with your partner. Like I'm, you know, like, when my husband would gain weight. I never said anything because he never said anything to me because he was too smart to do that. He tried it once did not work out.

Steve:

But at least it's a mutual, like, if I'm getting fat, then you have all the right to get fat as well. You know, right.

Raylene:

You know, monetary so he works his ass off and he's hot. But I have I go up a little bit and I go down a little bit and I go up a little bit and I'm also diabetic. So I really need to watch my ship, but I don't. So

Steve:

I just got to stop eating that bag of chips at like two o'clock in the morning before they go to sleep.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

You don't look like fat though, Steve. I mean, I could be just

Steve:

as better than how I should be.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

Could we attribute this to like the corona? 10 or whatever?

Steve:

No, it was here before Corona died that much.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

Then Then I guess we can

Raylene:

maybe been with her for four months. You just said and Corona has been here longer than that. So you're blaming her?

Steve:

No, the fat has been here longer than Corona. Oh, like the fat buildup is longer than the meat

Raylene:

you that way? Yep, I've

Steve:

got a little bit. I mean it. It's a growing situation.

Curtis:

looks at you weird.

Steve:

No, I'm not. I'm not concerned from it. I'm just waiting for her to be like, hey, you're gonna go to the gym because I'm not gonna go until that moment happens.

Raylene:

Well, Dad bonds are in so you might be safe.

Curtis:

Yeah, Dad Bob, there's like, you know, like an actual dead book because some people strategize to be quiet, you kind of missed the mark next. It's like I was just saying

Raylene:

coolest thing one of my kids ever said to me once was, she was a lot younger. And she was like, talking about being on a diet or something. And she says, I don't want you on a diet. I like you just the way you are you squishy. Oh, and mom and grandma needs to be as squishy and huggable.

Curtis:

If someone came up to me and told me, he or she I'd be so big.

Raylene:

She was seven. So it was perfect.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

That's great. Cool beans. Well, this has been fun. We're gonna take a quick break. And when we come back, we are joined by seal who is a chef and we're gonna be talking Thanksgiving. So hey, we'll be right back. So we've got this podcast.

Steve:

Yeah. Heard. It's something like undebatable.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

That's it. That's the one yeah, it's brilliant. It's, it's brand new. And I think it's sure to be a huge hit. Well, I

Steve:

mean, I know personally, for the funniest hosts you could ever have of all time and obviously very unbiased as well, clearly very unbiased.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

Yeah, absolutely. We're talking about the hottest issues that face America, as well as things like pop culture, even politics built right in

Steve:

something funny, something that will make you cry, angry, whatever it is, we will trigger you somewhere. But we want you to join the undebatable team, all of those emotions.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

Exactly. And there's so many ways you can join in on the conversation after each episode, you can go to the website, www dot undebatable dot show, and you can participate in the conversation from our previous episodes. You can also find us on social media, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, we're on all the big players. It's undebatable. It's undebatable. And it's undeniably so

Keith:

you're listening to undebatable. Here's Raylene Curtis, Steve and Bradford. All

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

right, welcome back to undebatable. We are here with our special guest seal. vardar seal barter is a self proclaimed foodie, and lover of everything food. She was previously the owner and chef of a catering company here in Connecticut. And more recently, she transitioned into a private chef role. In April of 2018, seal competed on the Food Network's chopped and was declared the chopped champion. The episode aired on December 4 of 2018. But of course, you can still find it on like Netflix or Hulu, I'm sure. And after that experience, her world completely opened. And suddenly all the doors followed as well. So welcome to the show, our very accomplished friend and guest seal varthur Welcome seal.

Ceil:

Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

Oh, you're very welcome. Our pleasure. So it's Thanksgiving time coming up here around the corner. And we all have some questions for you here in regards to maybe Thanksgiving, maybe something a little bit different, you know, off topic, but COVID has definitely had a role, and maybe reshaping what we typically think of Thanksgiving. You know, we're gonna see smaller family get togethers, which means, you know, maybe you have to prep less food, or maybe you kind of downsize. So do you have any tips for our listeners who maybe are in a conundrum and don't really know exactly how to prepare for this Thanksgiving? Is there any kind of tips that you can give them in terms of maybe preparing less?

Ceil:

Well, anyone who knows me knows the word less is not in my vocabulary. Very, I cook with abundance. And it's very hard to lessen that abundance. But you know, you have all the traditionals that you know, it seems like people want to stay with and I discussed the same thing with my family is that you know, we have so few people here for dinner and we're just going to cut it down and and for us personally. We have a tradition that we brought with us from Louisiana. We lived in Louisiana we moved here and the late 80s and we brought the tradition of deep frying a turkey. So that is absolutely on our list. And you have to have a traditional Turkey for the leftovers. And we'll get into the leftovers later. But you have to have that traditional Turkey for leftovers because I will guarantee when you do fried turkey there No leftovers, if God is pretty popular, and deep frying a lot of the traditional foods and you know, you don't have to have 15 sides and, and 20 desserts and all that it's just not going to make it during COVID. So, you know, you keep your favorites together, and you go with it, you go with it. Um, we also talked about smoking a turkey, but because the crowd is so small, that's just a lot of Turkey. Yes. We're gonna keep it with deep frying and baking.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

No deep frying in Turkey. Is that true? cuz I've never done it. But is it true that it really sort of not only locks in the flavor, but it keeps it like super moist on the inside?

Ceil:

Ah, it there's no words to describe no words. I mean, even for someone who is not a turkey lover, will instantly become a turkey lover. We briner turkeys. Whether you're baking, whether you're frying, or whether you're even smoking a a good brine, is to let's just say for a 16 pound turkey for instance. you immerse it into a bucket of water. And you put in about a cup and a half of kosher salt, about a cup of brown sugar, about a cup of apple cider vinegar, and some herbs, maybe Rosemary time. And for each pound of the turkey for instance. Okay, let's just say it's a 20 pound turkey, you're going to bribe that for 20 hours. So it's it you know, it's one hour, one hour brining per pound. And I will tell you, after brining a turkey for the first time, there is no comparison. no comparison whatsoever it is even the fried turkey melts in your mouth is delicious. Absolutely. Absolutely delicious. It's worth a little bit of time that you have to take before him. But so worth

Raylene:

so seal. This is really fun. And I first want to just say thanks for the spoiler alert because I am 88 episodes behind on chocolate. Now I know what's gonna happen when I get to December.

Ceil:

You can go look for season 40.

Raylene:

I actually did have an interaction with Ted Allen a couple weeks ago, because I had I had texted, not texted or tweeted and I said, should I just cancel and start over? And he's like, No, you absolutely have to watch all of them. So

Ceil:

who was your favorite judge? Oh, you instantly fall in love with Ted. All the judges. Everybody was just amazing. So you're a regular chopped watcher?

Raylene:

Well, I mean, not regularly enough to keep up. But yes, we, we watch them. The problem is when I'm watching chop I want to eat. And as you as we were just discussing in our previous segment, I probably don't need to eat as much as I want to eat.

Ceil:

But I've learned a lot.

Steve:

So, Steve, here

Ceil:

they were. It was just an amazing, amazing experience. It really was. It was on my bucket list. And I got it. Did they?

Raylene:

Did they let you keep the apron?

Ceil:

No, no, they were they were actually this particular show. They asked us to present aprons. And they had to choose I had six aprons, literally six aprons. And they chose which one because they tried to color coordinate. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But as far as the chef's coats, I didn't get a chef's coat. So I'm not sure. Yeah, but they're allowed to keep their chef's coat. I almost doubt it. I doubt it.

Steve:

What do you do with that bag of stuff inside like the giblets and the neck and all that stuff that you pull out from the

Ceil:

turkey? Yeah, I'll be honest with you. I'm not a liver giblet I'm not a lover of any of that. I'll save the knacks and save this and that and make a gravy. I throw it out.

Steve:

Yeah, me too. So what people would like you're supposed to make gravy out of that. That's why they leave it for you for the option

Ceil:

A lot of people do. I don't like no I don't like any of that. I've never you know when I became an adult after eating a liver and onions as a child growing up in my home. I made the decision as an adult. No more no more organ meats.

Steve:

Never liver for one lifetime,

Ceil:

right? No, no, no, we don't do that. So what what I do is actually I'll bake the turkey and about three quarters away. I'll take the juice from that Turkey, siphon it out, let it cool to get any of the fat out and then make my gravy.

Steve:

Is that the best way to make great That's way better than a jarred gravy.

Ceil:

Oh, don't take, don't take

Steve:

it easy for novice to make

Ceil:

a dirty word just been canceled, Steve.

Steve:

Sorry. I'll throw the giblets out, I swear.

Ceil:

Yeah, so that's pretty much how I do my gravy. I I'll pull it out about three quarters away and make a really nice gravy. But you want to get that fat off. I don't like Fatty, juicy fatty gravy. So I'll put it in the freezer or the refrigerator for a few hours and let that fat go to the top and just skim it off. And that's the best way to do that.

Curtis:

Does this count as Thanksgiving as a Thanksgiving feast? I plan to have stuffing and a seafood fest.

Ceil:

Are you looking for ideas? Like does that count as a Thanksgiving feast?

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

She's asking like

Ceil:

Thanksgiving. We grilled steaks one Thanksgiving, I mean, who put that who put that in the rules of life that you have to have turkey for Thanksgiving homemade that you can do to make sure you can do whatever you want but just make sure you put sausage in that stuffing

Curtis:

sausage over here about the turkey because I used to love because so I don't eat me. Um but I used to love love love my family does a tradition of frying turkeys the best fried turkey you'll ever have a question because it came up in a prior episode. Is it safe to fried Turkey as opposed to baking it?

Ceil:

Okay, this is rule of thumb. First of all you have to fry outside don't even you'll have the fire department at your house if you try and fry it. Um, you should measure your turkey in the pot that you're going to fry the turkey in measure with water. Make sure that when you put that Turkey in that water it does not overflow you want a couple inches from a good couple inches from the top. Okay, so that's that's your, uh your your gauge to go by. Okay. And the best oil you can use for turkeys peanut oil, but it's very, very expensive. To be honest with you. So we will use canola oil. If If you don't if you don't use the peanut oil which we will do both we have done both are used canola oil. And in order to know when that oil is ready for your turkey, my husband's the Jim at this production here is you put a couple pieces of popcorn in your oil. When that corn pops your oil is ready. And you secure it across the top. And you dip it in slowly. But first of all, you season the turkey she's in it well get there's a seasoning that we get. We used to get in Louisiana that shows up here as well as Tony Sasha receiving and are sat around receiving that Turkey inside outside kosher salt, I mean, just give it a good seasoning and dip it very, very slowly. And it's rule of thumb is three minutes per pound.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

Three minutes.

Ceil:

That's 20 pound turkey, that Turkey will be done in an hour.

Steve:

Why are we trying turkeys that's what I wanted.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

Because I've always been told it's dangerous. But now I feel like I'm confident displacement

Ceil:

is dangerous if you don't do your homework and talk to someone who's done a turkey. You know, the worst thing you could do is just throw that Turkey and not knowing if the oil is too high. You know, you'll have an instant fire. That's not pretty.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

That's not good.

Ceil:

I'm telling you if you know what you're doing, and at the end of this project, that is going to be the best thing you ever put in your mouth. Especially after you Brian it.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

That's amazing. So Thanksgivings over with and we've got the next day, but we've got a crap ton of food, right? What do we do with it? I mean, are there any? I mean, you always hear like the make a Thanksgiving sandwich. But is there anything like unique that you can think of that we could do?

Ceil:

some really awesome, awesome ideas. I mean, apart from your typical Okay your sandwiches your soup but love turkey soup, pot pie you know all those they're all wonderful. I love Turkey and rice and there is a Middle Eastern Lebanese and there is a rice dish called hush way and it is divine. It is divine. So if you took that Turkey and you know diced it up really nice put in the side and then you make yourself this rice p law of sweet onions in olive oil with a little bit of ground beef even in cheese, you know put some ground beef in the offseason and I use Uncle Ben's rice I Uncle Ben's rice is the only rice that I use. And you season everything with cinnamon Schumann duro Middle East flavors, and this will give you a whole different meal. And it's a it's a rice. It's a pilat but then you throw the turkey in and you have the lean ground beef and the rice cooking in chicken broth you fill it with chicken broth. And you just season it up with those seasonings with salt, pepper, garlic, cinnamon, cumin, coriander and let it put the top on and just let it simmer. That is one of the best poultry dishes you'll ever ever want to try. Delicious.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

That sounds divine. That sounds really really amazing. Really.

Ceil:

Middle Eastern food, Lebanese food is my thing. And the flavors that come out of that is really amazing. Now let's just say you have leftover pumpkin or leftover butternut squash. I love of course this might be a little more but if you do your homework you'll it's really not that difficult. Making yoki or making ravioli with a butter shade sauce on it. There's so many wonderful a ricotta butter nut risotto. Oh,

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

you had me at butter Sage

Ceil:

variation, you can do

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

that. That is awesome. That's amazing.

Ceil:

Those tips are clear. Mashed potatoes. Yeah, again, you can make yoky you could make potato pancakes. You could make some kind of hash with all of these things, the butter nut, the potatoes, the vegetable, even Turkey, make a hash, and put an egg over it. You know there's, there's, I mean, I'm talking going and surpassing sandwiches and soup and Turkey potpie. I mean, there's so many wonderful things you can do with all these leftovers. I love working with leftovers. I really do

Steve:

know those ideas are genius. Your families of luckiest people.

Ceil:

I was just thinking that you listen, I came from a family of cooks. My mother is 93 and she can run circles around me. Trust me. I mean, she's unbelievable. And I, you know, I'm self taught. I didn't go to culinary school. I'm self taught. I've been in a family of restaurants, family of cooks. People will say to me what culinary school did you go to? And I would say, culinary school of Jane my mother. Wow. And everything from her and she still hasn't. That's awesome. Why she could if you told her in 20 minutes, you're coming over with 10 people she'll have an aid course. And that's me. That's amazing.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

That's amazing.

Raylene:

Right now oh

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

seal we're gonna move to what we call the lightning round here, which is when we fire off a few quick questions. And the responses are just kind of you know real quick back from you. stuffing in the bird or outside of the bird.

Ceil:

Oh my goodness. Oh, I love my stuffing in the bird. Yeah, but you cannot stop the head. You stop it and put it in the oven. You cannot let stuffing sit inside of a cavity overnight. There's bacteria. I just love those juices dripping into that stuffing and the crust that comes out of it. I love it. Nice although some in my family loves to do it outside the turkey for me. I love inside. Awesome. Are you a cake or pie person that stuff a fried Turkey by the way, don't remember

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

don't stop the freezer. Okay, I'm writing that down. cake or pie person,

Ceil:

cake or pie. Oh boy. I am going to say cake. What's your favorite season? Of The Year? Yes. Oh, I love cooking. I love cooking. Although I'm torn because I love outdoor cooking for the summer. So it's

Steve:

it's, it's a mix for you personally. Cranberry Sauce, or no cranberry sauce.

Ceil:

Oh my god. I love cranberry relish cranberry compost from cranberry. Cranberry jelly.

Steve:

I can't figure out how to make gravy.

Ceil:

Give you a quick, quick recipe. It's the easiest thing in the whole world.

Steve:

I always put too much flour in it. Wow, our MC g i already screwed up.

Raylene:

You're talking about cranberry sauce. And the other ones talking about gravy.

Ceil:

I gotta read this guy's flour in your cranberry. Yeah. Oh, no. And it's great.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

gravy. Picking it up?

Ceil:

Yeah. You're talking about the cranberries? Oh, sure. All right. You could put our over. You could put you could put milk with it. Or flour. Yeah, no, that's fine. Not a lot though. I can't scan anything that's very thick and putting Li You know, like that. So you have me worried there. I'm thinking. Like, who am I talking to?

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

Steve's unique but not that unique.

Raylene:

Pumpkin pie or apple pie.

Ceil:

Pumpkin pie or Apple. I love anything with apples. Good apples.

Curtis:

You're going to a picnic and your choices are hamburger or hotdog.

Ceil:

Oh my god. cheeseburger.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

There you go. I love it.

Ceil:

But if it's gonna be a hotdog, it has to be all beef with natural casing.

Steve:

You were just speaking my language. Yeah.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

There you go. Well, everybody, all of our listeners that is seal thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate it.

Steve:

We're gonna have to go eat something I know.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

I was just gonna say yeah, I'm like starving or now. I'm starving now that was his. That was great. Like, are you guys like I could eat like a whole cow right now to be honest.

Ceil:

I am. No thanks.

Steve:

I never thought I would be moaning to a woman on one of our interviews. Yeah. Turkey

Raylene:

when you asked about the seafood, and I just laugh because I've been on probably three cruises over Thanksgiving. And I never get turkey I always get seafood of some sort on monikers.

Steve:

I gotta I gotta have a turkey

Curtis:

skipping it. Huh? I was gonna say this year I'll be skipping the meat. So this is gonna be very different. No fried Turkey. So how does Bing and I was like, ah,

Steve:

how does seafood not count as meat?

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

He's pescatarian

Steve:

Rama pescatarians. All right, so it's not like like vegetarian or like vegan or anything like that.

Curtis:

What do you mean? It's not it's a different form? It's pescatarian I don't eat fish. Oh,

Steve:

what is that? What like religious? pescetarian? Yes, it sounds very religious.

Raylene:

Yeah, the belief of Goodwin the Lima Wow, I

Steve:

just always thought that was like, Oh, wow. Clearly I've educated

Curtis:

nobody you know from my Safari app, perhaps maybe I'm not sure. He was just or not. I just I just chose not to meet a lot of it comes to do has to do with I don't agree with the FDA and their lack of governing on our meals in the way things are produced in America. Whereas they inject animals with steroids that you wouldn't inject your baby with or things you wouldn't want to eat to get eggs. You know how big the profit they make those chickens for you guys? I just I can't stomach having that in my body. And I truly believe you are what you Yeah,

Steve:

a lot of are pumped full of hormones

Ceil:

shock stores.

Raylene:

I don't happen. I mean, because I was raised on a farm and I still only eat my dad's eggs. And for years and years and years we put a cow in the freezer every year. We don't do that anymore. But there is places

Ceil:

go and buy a half a cow.

Curtis:

I ordered my food farm fresh so it comes delivered.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

I drink raw milk. What was that? Yeah, I drink raw milk from Tim's mouth.

Raylene:

hasn't been homogenized, pasteurized, and I'm gay. I used to. You can tell people who are raised with cows. we shake our milk before we pour it

Steve:

in raw milk like the gay version of like the tough guy who drinks black coffee, right?

Raylene:

It still has all of its fat in it. So homogenization the the fat and the milk together so it doesn't separate. So if you buy it on pasteurized and homogenized, it still separates. So you when you take your milk out, you shake it to get your fat and your milk together, and then you drink it that way. I haven't had on high magic homogenized milk in probably 30 years and I still always shake my milk. Oh,

Steve:

have you either have you since you drink it? Have you ever had a guest over that? Didn't know that it was that kind of milk and like the went to go pour milk?

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

Yes, my uncle and she said, Where did you get this milk from? This is the cleanest, purest, most amazing milk and I was like, Oh, um, I just get it from balton books.

Steve:

But it wasn't. It wasn't chunky.

Ceil:

chunky. No, it's super chunky. Yeah, no, it

Raylene:

is that the milk the fat separates, you know, ever heard that separating the wheat from the chaff or the fat from the skim. It just automatically your your fats goes to the top. And that's what they usually make butter from. they'll pull it off. And that's where they make the butter.

Steve:

I feel like this is just educating idiot moment right now. It's like I'm learning about pescatarians. I'm learning about raw milk.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

No, it's because raw milk were really

Raylene:

raised on a farm. And you wouldn't even know some of those words live near a farm or somebody could give you that milk.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

Exactly. That The other great thing about raw milk too, is that so she talked about the homogenization process, but then the pasteurization also kills a lot of the great flora and bacteria that are in the milk, which are beneficial just like yogurt has live culture. Yeah, that raw milk has live cultures. And they're actually really beneficial for your gut, which some scientists actually kind of call your third brain because if you can really boost your your

Steve:

your second one is right.

Ceil:

My second one

Steve:

was the third brain not the second brain like yeah, they already have the other one encountered.

Bradford Ricardo-Hyde:

Hilarious. Well, this has been super fun. I just love hanging out with my gang here. I hope you guys love hanging out with us too. Again, just remember to like and subscribe, share the podcast with your friends. We'd appreciate it. We can't wait to talk with you next week here on undebatable. We're going to be talking the history of thanksgiving and the colonies coming over on the Mayflower. So make sure that you join us for that episode. That's gonna be good. It's gonna be great. So thank you guys very much. And see you next week.

Keith:

You've been listening to undebatable Finally, a show proving that people can disagree and still have fun. Like it automate. We hope you had fun too. And we'll be back soon. Until then join in the conversation with us on our website at www dot undebatable dot show or connect with us on social media, Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube. We'll see you next time. Until then, this is undebatable signing off.

Ceil Vardar

Ceil Vardar is a self proclaimed foodie and lover of everything food. She was previously the chef & owner of a catering company in Connecticut. More recently she moved into the role of a private chef. In April of 2018 Ceil competed on the Food Networks CHOPPED. It was revealed on December 4, 2018 that she was a Chopped Champion. After that big win her whole world opened up and suddenly did many doors. Life so far for Ceil has been a wonderful experience.