March 31, 2021

What's Next

What's Next

On this new exciting edition of Undebatable we introduce our new format with no guest. In our new format we have more time to focus on the topics. In this episode we Explore Bitcoin and NFT Currency, is it real? Is it the future? Is it wrong to text someone to break up? Many capital rioters unlikely to serve jail time and lastly, new generations are not going to church as much, is this the fall of religion? This and more on this new hilarious edition of Undebatable. 

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Transcript

Keith:

trivia time. What happens when you put for highly opinionated friends? For microphones and breaking news and controversial topics in a blender? You get one hell of a podcast. This is undebatable A hysterical and thought provoking podcast that sees for friends from different backgrounds debate hot button issues that affect our modern world hot button issues. For quick witted hosts, events, political news, pop culture news or weird news, we're talking about it. This is undebatable and here are your hosts Raylene, Curtis, Steve, Hank and Bradford.

Bradford :

All right, welcome to undebatable. You may have heard that there's only two responses in our name here and that is because both Curtis and Raylene are out

Steve:

dropping like flies

Bradford :

dropping like flies on here. Exactly. But we have the beautiful and talented pepes in the studio with us. So he very much that is always very, very

Host:

exciting. Once again, honored to be here. So thank you.

Bradford :

Oh my gosh, you're very welcome. To be

Steve:

fair, Raylene is doing something important. And Curtis is probably out there fixing the world somewhere. Right?

Bradford :

Both very good things and good reasons not to be here. But nonetheless,

Steve:

screw them anyways.

Unknown:

We miss them. Yeah, exactly.

Steve:

I'm not here to defend themselves.

Host:

Thanks for letting me have your spot.

Unknown:

Oh my gosh.

Steve:

I feel to fill more shoes today. Yeah.

Bradford :

How was that for me? Is that like, too much weight? Oh, I got you got this.

Host:

I'm a strong woman. Oh, my God can do it.

Bradford :

Are you so strong that you could remove a ship? That's like, oh, jamming the Suez Canal. Right now. Did you see that?

Host:

That was a nice at all.

Unknown:

Did you see what I did there?

Host:

Yeah, it was the wind in case anyone was wondering that. Yeah, the captain says it was 100% the wind. Wow. That's the reason why this one bow out of

Unknown:

many. Nice. Very heavy boat.

Host:

Right. I can't believe that that many boats have gone through in the last year and not one has had a problem like this. But don't worry, guys. It's the wind

Steve:

is definitely the way I was shocked. Like, I kept seeing stories like millions of dollars are being lost that trade the world trade is shut down. And there's two dudes with a backhoe.

Unknown:

Right? What the fuck? That's the case. I'm like, we're gonna need more millions of

Steve:

dollars are being lost. And there's one guy and one dude standing outside being like, yep, you're doing a good job. what's

Host:

the alternative? You have? Like people on horses like right now in the desert? Like?

Bradford :

Maybe three? Yeah.

Steve:

On the other side, just crazy. Like I just have watching this

Host:

to be a reason. That's why I think the in they said that one back out. You're right, maybe they just need like 20 at the same time. Weird. But they were saying that they couldn't keep up with like, by the time they would dredge part of it, the river would just push the water in the mud like new mud re bagged where the justice that they couldn't get any, like

Steve:

no one really tried. Like we saw during COVID when they needed a hospital in China in seven days. They built a giant hospital. Remember watching the time lapse, but it was like ants. I'm like, holy crap. And then there's one guy with a backhoe.

Unknown:

Trying to get this. I mean, there's got to be, it was mind

Bradford :

boggling to me. Humans can do great things, but we can't get a ship out of a canal.

Steve:

I mean, I understand the wind excuse because if it's not wind, you basically took a right turn on a straightaway.

Host:

They said that the wind might have like helped in playing the factor. But they said that they've seen higher winds in the area before and also

Steve:

to that who was on this boat when they see it. It couldn't be like in 10 seconds I just went across it must have taken a while for the wind to push it slowly across the canal. Someone should have noticed

Host:

maybe it was a mechanical thing that couldn't because it will actually was not that far in the canal. Like if you see you could see the image like from a way far out. vantage point. But it was like

Bradford :

I think the captain was hitting the rim a little too hard and maybe perhaps just grounded the bed chapter you go, don't

Steve:

worry, you just go straight. How hard is this?

Bradford :

Right? I can I can drink and do that.

Steve:

But what I realized today is now that the boats out, what are we supposed to like we rarely have things that the whole world can pay attention to together. And we have nothing.

Unknown:

What's the new thing? What

Steve:

are we gonna wait around now?

Bradford :

Right? Well, I don't know. You could listen to the undebatable podcast. That's a great way to be informed to get your you know what next Suez Canal until the next Suez Canal happens, but

Steve:

you'll hear about it here. So you can just say,

Host:

what's the next world event?

Bradford :

The next world event might

Steve:

Nostradamus there he go. What? Someone will die. Someone

Unknown:

yeah Why does it got to be negative?

Steve:

Because it's guaranteed true death is definitely

Host:

what I'm saying. Like like you just mentioned what's the next like thing that we can all pay attention to and like reunite like remember when Kendall Jenner handed a police officer a Pepsi and everybody in the world erupted and it was like No, that's not

Steve:

true. What's funny about that is a rover landed on Mars and no one really gave a fuck. But like Kendall Jenner hands up Pepsi to a cop in the whole world.

Host:

What's going to realize I thought that that was like a thing that we can all laugh and like positively agree on. That was pretty good. Even she was like, All right, guys. Like I don't like what's the next thing

Steve:

that's gonna unite us? That's the beauty of humans. We have no idea what stupid thing we're gonna be obsessed. No, you guys are like death was guaranteed someone important is gonna die. I throw it out there. I'm gonna be right eventually. Yeah.

Host:

Oh, totally.

Unknown:

happened this time.

Steve:

You put those words back in your fucking mouth. Anyway, I'm just saying how don't ever talk about her dying? What if she died today? You know, it'd be your fault, right?

Bradford :

I know. I would totally Jinx myself. We

Host:

should check on her. She's

Steve:

gonna check on her because she said in the morning.

Bradford :

I love Betty White. I don't want anything to happen to her. I'm just saying you just listen. That woman has died. Everybody that would Yeah, they would they would

Steve:

win people in Russia care though.

Unknown:

I feel like they would Yeah.

Bradford :

Betty White, right. Who doesn't love Betty White?

Steve:

Do you know Russia's Becky? I always think about that was celebrities. Like I see famous. I was watching this cooking competition the other day. It was different countries. And they kept bringing out like, famous people from these countries. I could tell they're really famous. But I'm like, I have no idea who the hell you are.

Unknown:

Yeah, no, but we're America. I

Steve:

know. I know our celebrity. I know. Our celebrities are bigger. But it always bugs me out. I'm like, wow, all these countries have like their own like Britney Spears is and we have no idea who they are. Like they could just walk by us right now. And you have no idea. But in their country. They're like the biggest human being in the world. Yeah.

Bradford :

Ukraine has a girl named Molly sandin. And she is amazing. Her voice is so good. She tried to get into the US market, if you will. And it didn't happen. But she is freaking amazing.

Unknown:

What's her name? Molly sand. And

Steve:

so in the Ukraine? I don't know. That's a good manager right there.

Bradford :

Right? She's good. She's really really good. Sound

Steve:

like Ukrainian name? No.

Unknown:

But hey, what are you gonna do?

Steve:

I've never met a volley from the Ukraine.

Unknown:

Right? Yeah. Well, have you met a lot of people from the Ukraine?

Steve:

I know. One. Her name was in Mali. That's how

Unknown:

science works. I've

Steve:

done the research. Okay.

Bradford :

Well, I mean, maybe Ukraine's becoming a diverse melting pot, just like the US. I mean, we have a Jose here in the US and you'd be like, let me guess. Mexico. No. Puerto Rico. No, us. Wow. Right. So

Steve:

I'm gonna leave now. Yeah, if you went to Jose, go like well, you froze at Mexico, right? Nope. Puerto Rico. No. Any other Spanish country? Nope. America. I'm gonna leave. Right. Right. Right. You're

Bradford :

like, at least Arizona and Texas. He's like no, Wisconsin, you're like

Steve:

yes, I wouldn't go over

Bradford :

that would not go over. Oh, no. So, you know, I think we're funny. I don't know Raylene seems to think we're funny. A lot of our people think we're funny

Steve:

after every episode Raylene always says the same thing.

Unknown:

She confirms that we

Steve:

are fun. Oh, funny. We are.

Bradford :

So share the love. Sure. Right. Just share it. It's so easy. You know, I know that over the the holiday weekend here you're going to be talking with family, whether it's over zoom or in person, tell them that you listen to this podcast called undebatable in edits hi larious and that they should listen to it too. You can share it on your Facebook, you know you can share it on your Instagram, Whatever method you choose, just share our podcast. Please help us spread the word also, connect with us, we'd love to hear from you. You can go to our website, www dot undebatable dot show where you can interact with us. You can weigh in on the topics every week, tell us your thoughts on them. And, and you know, we'd love to interact with you there. So also Lastly, we do have our wonderful Patreon page where you can become a member it'll be given exclusive access behind the scenes view lots of extras videos, photos, we have discounted merch and so much more. So make sure that you check out our Patreon page, the link to our Patreon page as well as the method to be able to connect with us. All of those can be found in our show notes down below. So let's go over our topics real quick for today. We have a great show. We do not have a Guest because we have a ton of topics. The Fall of religion is religion, old school is going to the wayside. We're going to talk about that. Also. Many capital rioters are unlikely to serve jail time. So I want to hear your yeah when I hear your reaction to that Is it wrong to text someone to break up? Or go someone? Or should this be more of a personal, you know, method to do that? And lastly, we're going to talk about Bitcoin the NFT currency. Is it real? What exactly is it? And is it our future currency? So let's start there. First of all, what the heck is Bitcoin and NFT? For folks that don't know?

Steve:

Well, I suggested this for like the show because plebs and I work together every day, five days a week, pebbles and Boomer in the morning on seven, seven, a. So I'm decently familiar with Bitcoin, but like I saw this NF t thing. And I like to be fair, did one of those like headline reads, read a paragraph and was like, Okay, I know what it is, and bounce. So I don't really have a lot of knowledge about it. I looked into it today a little bit, got a little bit understanding, and I kind of get it a little. But I'm still confused. It's like, it's kind of like, if you make a digital copy of something, then it is like a stamp to prove that this is the original, like you have the so any other copy is out. So in my head, I was kind of like, well, that's still stupid, because a painting the Mona Lisa is an original, and we can see it right. And this is just my old brain getting stuck in old ways. Oh my god see it. So when I read about it today, I realized that I even made this analogy of like, well, if you made 10,000 shoes, the first one that gets standard, these are the special ones. These are worth $10,000. The rest are worth 100. Oh, when you were in the shoes, no one knows the difference. But the to argue against myself, the Mona Lisa, there's copies of that everywhere, right? True. If I had made it look legit, and put it in a frame, I could trick somebody and say this is the real Mona Lisa. Now if I was stupid enough to understand that no one would sell that on the street. But so so that's where I kind of like pulled back on the NFT thing to where like, Okay, well now the digital things, right, that are files that can be copied easily. And you can't go up to the Mona Lisa and go, we'll see this see the differences. This is fake. You can't do that right, a digital copy. So it's kind of like a stamp of saying, This is the original you have the right Mona Lisa digital Mona Lisa. No, no,

Host:

they're not worth what they're going for online. The reason why NFT is made such headlines is because stupid things are going for ridiculous prices. A guy sold his farts. There you go. What? So, but it's his original original. You can never have a different you know, like, the tone the frequency that way of is now owned by the person who bought it for X amount of money. And it's not $5 it's not 500 it's like 5000 like we're talking like digital sneakers Bradford

Unknown:

I hope he has a unique brand.

Host:

20 it? I don't even understand it. Like maybe again, this is like my old school like because I'm 28 maybe there's like a 24 year old. I don't know maybe there's someone more older than and wiser and who understands this better than me. But listen, a digital copy of something it could never be worth that many 1000s of dollars. Unless it was like in you said a Mona Lisa. Like if you had the first digital copy of Travis Scott's new song like whoa, okay, now you got your with something, right? Because now I can sell that unlicensed into you know, radio station or record company or this or that or the other thing, but I don't I'm See I don't even know how that works. But far. I mean, I

Bradford :

hope you branded it, you know, like unique zone for like

Steve:

1000s of dollars. That was the story that I saw. Wow. But there is a marketplace for I To be honest, I forgot the title of it. But it's very similar to the non fungible token how Bitcoin works is just it's just marketplace of where you just go buy this stuff. And then it's a commodity. So apparently, it's going to go up and go Don't worry. For me to argue against my argument against myself before it's like the sneaker analogies if you break out 10,000 Jordans, and I stamped the first one. And that's a $10,000 Jordan. Again, if you're wearing number one to number 999 no one knows the difference. So to me, it's kind of like it's just a bragging Yeah,

Unknown:

it really is bitcoins

Steve:

a little bit different because people are like, I've seen ATMs with them. Right like

Bradford :

it's exactly in the US actually. I think values Bitcoin as a legit currency. They've there's laws and see that's where we even had the conversation. You know, that's where I get really weird with it because it's like,

Steve:

I guess I just need to do my research. who's running it? Where's the headquarters of Bitcoin? Where is this? Is this just money that already exists in the world? And now they're taking this because I'm like, under the understanding it's like, we go into computer and we mined and I pictured darky dude with suspenders with frickin pitchforks inside I'm not even kidding. I'm not gonna let you say my in their song and took away Bitcoin and that's how much knowledge I have of it. So it's not fair for me to beat on it, but I guess like Any currency I'm curious if everybody in the world pulled out or what a Bitcoin just fucking vanished right?

Host:

There's no name to Bitcoin I guess so once they reach I don't know what the number is but once you quote unquote like it's all been mined then that's that and then it's within like now Now you only have that much money ever floating through and people trading and stuff like that so that's why right now is the time to get into bitcoin is because if you can mine or you know somebody who does and you're getting free money essentially right now see that kind of goes that's generational. Well, you could do very well building right now

Steve:

cuz it's like to the NFT thing to the Mona Lisa to the digital thing. Well, the world's changing so art can still be done on a computer and to where this is mining. Remember the Gold Rush everyone ran out to the

Host:

money only for gold until a period

Steve:

runs out and you're going to get either get exactly so I mean, to see the similarities right there in front of me like literally live right now. So I can't wait. It's just a digital version of a gold mine a digital version of making original paintings.

Unknown:

cryptocurrency exactly,

Bradford :

I get I guess what's scary is we actually had a discussion about this on the podcast, some episodes back and there was a guy remember he lost his hard drive or whatever it was, yeah, no pile 10 attempts, right. It

Steve:

was like he was nine it's encrypted, it gets wiped out.

Bradford :

Right. So that's what makes me nervous about this whole thing as a future currency. Is that if that were the case, it's so easy I mean, if I

Host:

know I think that guy I hate to say this but like if you knew what you could potentially have he's this just the first of what could go wrong or whatever but think about if you Bradford, you could have $1 million, but here's a piece of paper and it's got two really long irrational numbers and codes on it. You would do whatever it took to save that piece of

Steve:

one of my teeth and carve it into my leg

Host:

so we needed a guy like this idiot to do what he did to prove to all of us that you can fuck up just don't write exactly just remember your password. It's not

Unknown:

on your RFC

Steve:

witching hour for me. Even Bitcoin still gets to this weird bragging right? Because if I remember correctly, that guy had like $270 million $200 million. Do Why the fuck you're not cashing that out? Yeah, like cash out. 100 mil? That's like, gross, but put 100 million in real money in your pocket? Yeah, I suppose you know what I mean? Like I doubt he's in a mansion already. So no one pulls the money out to wear for me. What if everyone started pulling money out one day? What if it was like

Host:

pulling out money in a digital way though but

Steve:

that's what's weird to me is that if I was using something on a computer, I had no money and now I spent about six months doing this shit and I have $7 million in my Bitcoin account right? I'd rather that was dollars right in my real bank account and go buy a house and a car and a boat and quit my job like that's what's so weird to me about the Bitcoin thing is like, Why is no one cashing this money out? And just you could go invest in a business maybe

Host:

once you cash it out the that value of Bitcoin remains that that value?

Unknown:

It doesn't add doesn't have the increase, you can't put it back

Host:

in because it's not the stock market, you would have to mine more. So it's because Exactly, yeah, but because that no one has mind the last thing yet, so it's gonna keep going you hold on hold on hold until there's no more lag.

Steve:

I just realized you called me Boomer. And there's no way she called me Steve this whole time.

Unknown:

That phone is

Host:

Hey, I'm sorry. And

Steve:

we first started doing the show together. She would call me Steve all the time. Yeah. So we had to make a deal where she would call me all the time. And I would never call her pebbles because we knew each other before the show. So we both made a like a conscious agreement to never call each other by our first names. So I would have had this anxiety on my way here that I'm like she's gonna say Steve, I'm like what?

Unknown:

I don't know we're talking about it.

Steve:

Just let it ride don't even don't even worry about

Host:

Okay, sorry about that. He was

Bradford :

honestly kind of cool. I like yeah, Boomer Boomer. So for those of you who don't know of course Steve AK is also Boomer

Steve:

there you go and pabs is really pebble came up with a very a very creative way. sider name it's the same but it's different take off the blts Huh,

Unknown:

exactly. Yeah, there you go. But

Steve:

I'm just curious where all this is gonna go I just never see like so I what what you just optically explained to me is that it's like why people don't cash out this Bitcoin. It's like if I bought in SpaceX on day one, and now they're frickin SpaceX. Hey, cash out for like 10 mil now, but like, they're gonna, they're gonna be putting people on frickin Mars.

Unknown:

Way more that's a fad.

Host:

It's a risk. See? Just like you might forget your password,

Unknown:

right?

Steve:

All of his ideas won't come true

Bradford :

when one of their ships just crashed yesterday, so they're adding crash

Steve:

all the time.

Bradford :

Yeah, they're like, oh, prototype number three, God darn it maybe one

Steve:

very short, amazing story of Ilan musk goes he had Tesla obviously made a bunch of money. He went into SpaceX. And he took all of his, whatever billions of dollars he had put it all in, he went to NASA for his test launch. Right? He has three rockets. The first one blew up. The second one blew up. And he said in his interview is that it was amazing that everything I've ever done in my whole life, all these amazing accomplishments, it's coming down to just pushing this one frickin button. Right? And he pushed it, and it launched, and I want and we have SpaceX, and he had

Host:

to be pretty confident that

Steve:

float is bankrupt. He's like I would have would have had to file bankruptcy The next day,

Unknown:

he would have been fucking fine. He would have

Steve:

been fine, but I love that story of just like the I love people that put all their shit in something. And goes if this fails, I'm homeless, like people that just do that.

Host:

Unfortunately, never hear the sad stories. Exactly.

Steve:

They're the homeless people that you see, but at least I went for it. See if you have time. I'm gonna say that

Bradford :

finish line. Okay, yeah, that's what I meant your wine. So is it wrong to text someone to break up or go someone? Let's have that discussion? Um, personally, I feel like a text message is a little impersonal. Have you ever been ghosted? That's even more impersonal and very, very, like mentally disappointing.

Steve:

You sit around all day looking at your phone?

Bradford :

Well, anything. It's you. You're like, what did I do? Was it me? You know, was it something I said? There's

Steve:

like there's certain situations like you freaked out on the date foot table over sworn some people punched the taxicab driver, like that's a person I can go sit next day, but that's true. I feel like there's got to be like a like a rule setting like if it's online dating never. And you never met like online dating you never met? I could just stop message. Yeah,

Host:

I think has to do with time as part

Steve:

of the game if we met face to face more than once. I feel like you should text is okay. If you dated a month. You got to have at least a phone conversation for a breakup. You can't go

Bradford :

we're talking breaking up though. Not just like I met you a few times. Now. Now if you're breaking up,

Steve:

you're together for a year that's like a fucking you living Yeah,

Host:

you can't break up with someone over a text message if you've been with them for over. If you're out of high school, and it's been a week or two, so

Bradford :

you shouldn't but I unfortunately know adults who have it's just ridiculous.

Host:

You do not bring it up over.

Bradford :

I agree. You don't. But I know people have. It's

Steve:

literally just happened to me over the summer for like eight months. And like she sent me a text and was like, Hey, can we talk Is everything okay? I'm like, yeah, I'm taking a nap. I woke up to like this long fucking text message. And I'm like, wow, shit. Like, alright, well, you just give me a call. Like, it wasn't even like arguing the fact it's like, Alright, we've been together for like, a month, which is a phone call. conversation. Yeah. And I was like, No, I don't feel comfortable talking. We can talk tomorrow. Okay. And I have learned in my, in my age to not be like, No, we need to talk down to you shut out. We'll talk tomorrow. And then it was just one of those like, what do you want to talk about? What do you mean? Well, I sent you a text message. Like, it's like, what the fuck do you mean, you send me a tight? Yeah, we need to have a phone conversation. Yes, you were started. And she's like, well, I just don't want confrontation on there. And so I like I get why people want to do the text. Yeah. But to me, it went from like, I can feel it. The thing is ending it wasn't a surprise, right. But to me, it was like a complete, complete disrespect of like, that. It's always for me, everything comes down to respect and just like, how could be with again, I felt it ending. And any day, if one of us were like, Hey, is everything okay? It would have led to that conversation. But so like that, to me is it's like, wow, that's fucked up. Like that's shocking is that after it's a text message, but it's so much easier.

Host:

But at the same time, you know, while as much as I do, and I want to say that I understand that at the same time. It's like now you literally have an actual i don't i personally just couldn't be bothered with deleting text messages. I don't do it.

Steve:

No, I never do actually did yesterday.

Host:

And it's not like just like, oh, I've got receipts and like, I'm not I just don't I couldn't be bothered delete text. So now by texting somebody somewhere like that. They have like a literal log of the exact day and time and the exact words that you thought about over and over again. And that person can revisit that text message anytime they want. And I think that It's messed up. And that's why I think also, the phone conversation would be more appropriate because you can remember the conversation how you want to remember, right?

Bradford :

So let's break this down into age though. Alright, so adults should have the capacity to build to have a conversation with somebody. But more and more today's younger people, and I'm seeing kids even out of high school, we're talking college kids, you know, maybe Upper 20s right now. You know, having a phone conversation for them is just hashtag too hard. They can't do it. I feel like they would result to texting thinking that that's

Steve:

normal. Well, that's funny. You bring that up, because the girl I was dating was 24. She's 11 years younger than me. And in her mind, she was like, when we had the conversation, she was like, What? And not like a dick way kind of like, girls, like you're gonna say something. She's like, Well, no, you want to talk. I'm like, well, you initiate it. Like, I figured you were start. And then I would go like, that's how normally this works. But again, there was that moment where I pull back. I'm like, she's 20 fucking four years old. Like, this may be the world. Yeah.

Unknown:

Excuse me, and 10 boys, like once I

Steve:

explained it to her. I was like, hey, we've been together for eight months. You sent me a text. You wouldn't talk to me. And then when we finally talked, you're like, Yeah, what do you want? Like, you understand how pissed off I am? And she was like, Wow, I didn't realize right? How fucking cold that seemed. I'm like, Well, yeah, but she had no clue. That's

Host:

what I mean. It was just the intent was

Steve:

they might be hitting it on the head with just the age range. That'd

Unknown:

be an age thing. Yeah. Yes, I

Steve:

lived in a world in middle school. If you'd like to go, you'd write a note. Give it to her friend you had like you had a you had like a handler

Unknown:

these days to write using their nose, you'd handed know,

Steve:

the handler would then deliver the note to her. She'd read the down. Yeah, get it back to the handler. I'm not realizing now. A friend. Yeah, right. It's coming back. And now I get. So to break up with them. I now need to write the letter. Do it in class, and then her friend the handler is going to be down on me right in a breakup letter. Or I have to call them on the phone and talk to their dad cuz it's 1999 and then break up with him on the phone. So like, I don't know, I guess maybe we just have already had to go through the fire of not living in the text world to where it's a respected like, no, if you want to hurt me, we're gonna come out of a really awkward fucking day, okay, you're gonna have a bad day. And you have to live up to a text message.

Host:

But feelings haven't shifted. When it comes. Like you said respect. I feel like at the end of the day, a person is a human being and if you felt hurt by being ghosted, why the fuck are you ghosting somebody else? I know, it's easier. And I know, again, it has everything to do with the timeline. Because, you know, I'm sure everything's situational. But I think people are gonna have a harder time if they always rely on the text message thing.

Bradford :

How about if they're making it public? So I know people who have broken up with other people publicly, like over Facebook and the person learned through Facebook?

Unknown:

No one. Yes.

Steve:

I might be you might be catching me outside your fucking house on a day like that. That's what

Unknown:

I was saying. Isn't that rather face? Isn't that super wrong? You know,

Host:

at that point, I just feel bad for the person that they've broken up with, like by reading it on their radar, because, wow, you just made it you highlighted yourself as a turtle.

Steve:

That's what you really have to do is you pull yourself back and be like, Wow, look at that shitty person that's going on with anyone like if someone did that you on social media. like yeah, that's gonna suck and hurt. But hopefully within a week, you could be like, Wow, what a piece of shit I dodged living with for the rest of my life.

Bradford :

You can imagine if the person was like cheating on them, and they wanted to call them out and break them up or break up with them on Facebook. I maybe get that. But

Steve:

ladies, when you've broken up recently, or you're on the verge of it, and you share those fucking memes us dude's that's blood in the water man. When you to the living life alone is way better than living with someone who doesn't appreciate you dude, that is just chum in the fucking water for all those Facebook creeps. don't post that shit. Unless you're hunting for unless you're good for the D true like a new one. I can see breakups. I can see a post on my girl like she just broke up no snow on her feet and be like there's another there's another

Host:

break it down for you though, I think I think and I don't know, I've never posted it myself. But the women who do that are throwing it out there to the people who won't necessarily come in or even like it, but they'll see it that she's available now. So all other things about her all the profile picture of her and him or whatever. Now that's out the window, because she just posted

Steve:

Yeah, and that's what I was gonna say it's a dual thing. It's that it's letting people know hey,

Host:

she's like slide in the DM. She's not interested in the guys in the comment. Liking as she wants the guy to know out out there who's just seeing and the old

Steve:

the old guys gonna see and be like well fuck she's thrown out the bait. Yeah, why? Cuz he knows

Host:

I love the serious guys go to the DM right I like

Unknown:

that breakdown. I like that breakdown of those guys like

Host:

yes we all do we're eating popcorn watching the creepy guys try to get it

Steve:

today there's some girl I'm friends with on Facebook probably cuz she's really hot and I did the same fucking thing, but I'm not messaging anybody I just it's a TV channel I would like to look at you You're pretty. I saw that she posted a picture and she's really hot, like in her early 20s this dude, Farley, my dad in his 60s, you're so fucking sexy with like the tongue hanging out emoji. So of course I did check out his profile. It's a picture of him and his wife and his wife are everywhere on this guy's profiles. You unaware in your age that other people can see what the fuck you just wrote on a girl could be your granddaughter?

Bradford :

Seriously? That's gross. That's Steven the future.

Host:

Yeah, if I could only show you guys my DMS and even like the comments sometimes I'm just like, here's a good question.

Steve:

So that's why I never tried to slide in the DMS is because now I can come in on assumingly but you just got 22 other

Host:

no you ignore the post like I just say said just completely how I open right to the DMS.

Steve:

How do I slide in like that though? Because 20

Host:

He's waving her hand for attractive to intelligent men. She's not doing it for creepy guy. So it was somehow the fact that you think you're like that you think you're intelligent and within the first two sentences, then that's how you start the conversation.

Steve:

I'm always worried about looking like a creep. I know. But there's so many creepy dudes and they ruin it for the rest of us to wear like, because where we start as as a dude going up to a girl. I'm already starting up starting off minimally as a creep maximally as a rapist and a murderer. Like the best I am is a creepy fucking dude. And I have to earn your trust to prove I'm not a creepy dude, or potentially a rapist and a murderer. So that's where we start in my head. That's where I'm starting. at best. I'm starting out as a creep. So I

Host:

just don't try it all. The fuck? I mean, think about how you would want to be approached Have you thought a creep was approaching you? A joke would be nice like loose in the fucking mood right? Why don't you say joke? Hey, I saw your single hahaha within then take a screenshot of a meme she posted in your face.

Steve:

That's funny before you said that. I was like next time I see one of those memes and a hot chick. I'm gonna be like, so is this your billboard for being?

Host:

A good sense of humor. Then roll with it.

Steve:

I saw your billboard earlier what billboard screenshot this one of you being single?

Host:

And then say, if you're free on Friday, or what? You know what I mean? You gotta go. Just be

Steve:

overly confident when I ask girls out online I was like I'm Jim from the office on the AIDS Walk less like oh my god, you just asked a girl out on the phone. Again a voicemail like to me is that because I came from that I have to call

Host:

that's why she makes that reaction cuz she's like, oh, like whoa, like this. Like that's so cool. Right? That's so cool that a guy did that.

Keith:

I'm way better next game.

Steve:

I think that's game No, I can kill it in fucking purse.

Host:

You open a car door for a girl on the first day.

Unknown:

Oh, all over? No.

Host:

No, no, I'm just saying like it cuz you're there to be like, I'm taking you out.

Steve:

You know what I mean? Exactly. If I open the car door and she does shit on the ride, do it forever.

Bradford :

Well, you know, you could be a creep ever. Or you could be a capital writer, which is even worse than my mind. We're gonna get to that. Right after the break. Stick around.

Raylene:

Curtis, where were you? I thought you were gonna miss the podcast.

Unknown:

I was grocery shopping. And it was rough. I had to run all over town to get everything on my list. And I got elbow dropped by a little old lady over a pack of toilet paper. I don't see what's so great about shopping. It's a pain. That's because

Raylene:

you're doing it wrong. I did all my shopping while we were on the last commercial break. And most of it will be here by the time the show was over. See what

Unknown:

how did you manage that? Did you get yourself a personal shopper?

Raylene:

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Unknown:

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Raylene:

How can I get in on this, just click the link in the show notes that will let instacart know that we sent you and it'll help support our show. Not only that our listeners get free delivery on their first order over $35 so it's a win win for everyone

Unknown:

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Keith:

you're listening to undebatable here's Raylene Curtis, Steve and Bradford

Bradford :

either Welcome back to undebatable. This is episode number 22. And right before the break, we were talking some very cool topics, Bitcoin we covered how you would break up someone, whether it's text or if it would ghost them we're just doing in person, which we concluded would probably be the best way. And our next topic is the capital writers. Do you remember that sad and so

Steve:

and don't forget joining us our special Guest pabs.

Unknown:

Yes, yes. Pep dogs.

Bradford :

Yeah, she's amazing. We love having her here. I hope that you've thoroughly enjoyed this first half. Yeah, cuz she's

Host:

amazing. It's like the millionth person to say that

Steve:

I just, I just met you like last week this week. So pep talk. It's a pep talk. Now we do a radio show every day. Sorry. She's amazing. I'm a horrible Thanks.

Unknown:

You're welcome. No, we love having you.

Steve:

I just didn't want to surprise anybody when they heard a different voice.

Bradford :

Right? They're like, wow,

Steve:

I was a shameless way trying to plug your freaking podcasts he would say the right fucking name.

Bradford :

Yes, she'll do you want to tell us for just for a second about your podcast?

Host:

Um, yeah. So it's called pep talks, I have anxiety. And you would think that a person who was like on air maybe doesn't, but I talked about my life off air and also like, ways that I cope with my anxiety and like things to get beyond it and kind of like self motivation. And, you know, also, I try to keep it pretty local to coming up my next episode, I'm gonna be like talking about the top five locations in eastern Connecticut that I like. And I think that you know, people should visit and really like care about their community because I love Eastern Connecticut. So I definitely talked about it

Bradford :

a lot, a beautiful area of the state. And it's a beautiful state. Where can people find your podcast

Host:

anywhere you listen to podcasts, like I posted on my own website, and also on Spotify. on Apple podcasts. Google, Alyssa ang.com is the website and it's called pep talks podcast. If you just Google search, you'll find it.

Steve:

So when you're done doing our notification, go get hers. Exactly. Thank

Bradford :

you. Yes, amazing. I've listened to it, I highly recommend that you do to do writers give you anxiety. I feel like this whole capital writer thing gave me especially that one that day, when I was watching it live.

Steve:

I didn't know till four o'clock that day. What a mindfuck. That was when I go,

Host:

I think that writing is sometimes necessary. But in this case, it's absolutely new. So I mean,

Steve:

well, where would it be necessary? Because I can hear someone listening going right now, when is it necessary?

Host:

Personally, I think when certain freedoms are stripped, and there is a passion and a need to stand up for certain things, like in Hong Kong, they're getting their rights completely ripped away from them, right. I mean, I know I could just sit here and be super ignorant and be like, they should form their own country. That's hilarious. I'm laughing at myself. But that's because that's not gonna happen. But I think that is so necessary. And I think that the way that they've like combated those writers to show is how necessary it is.

Steve:

Well, I think you I don't know I'm putting words in my mouth, I think you're really mean that the protests are necessary, right? And if, right, like none of us want to go on nothing. Sometimes that shit happens. Look throughout, what we always

Host:

certain things lead up to those events. There's a reason why someone feels so much anger deep down in their belly that they have to take a break and fucking throw it. And the reason why that happens during

Steve:

Black Lives Matters. And it's important to compare these two things because we can beat around the fucking bush. But the reality is, is that the people that credit 100 I'll say it, when 100% of the people that were at the Capitol that day, criticize Black Lives Matters, protests, I don't need to do research. 100 100% of those people did it. And they are pissed off about a target. And now look, I remember learning about the shopkeeper that was out front trying to protect his biz got shot in the fucking head and died. A cop for 30 years out with a gun protecting thing and died no one standing up for that stuff right at all. But like, they're protesting for equal rights. And we have fallen off so far in this country because in the 60s, people like john lewis got almost beaten to death and Martin Luther King Jr. Malcolm X got killed how many other unnamed was people do we know?

Host:

And they were killing right in the shirt,

Steve:

wanted to be able to fucking vote. And they would do something 50 years later, would there were there now the same group of people the same race is fighting to just not be killed by the police at an insane number. So the riots happened from that, but the protest has never intended to have a riot. happen. Sometimes we have jerk offs in the road. Look, I used to be asshole teenager if I knew a riot was happening. He slammed Connecticut. I'm coming out with my mischief shit, I can get away with it. So those things happen. But this at the Capitol that day I said I didn't know till four o'clock I got a news notification kind of like, it's all the Trump people. They're just I figured it was the news trying to get me in like, oh, they're just poking me with Trump stuff, right? And then I saw I happen. I was genuinely sad for a country like that. And I'm sad that a Patreon I love our country. We're the greatest in the world, but I see our flaws. So like that, that like fucking her. I was like, Really? But like you have a you have a you have like a American flag.

Raylene:

But that's what I mean is

Steve:

cap. Do you know how ass backwards it is that you're storming a Capitol building with an American, there's never been an image we ever imagined.

Host:

Just like people have a problem with anybody picking up a brick and throwing it through glass building. Right? Right. There's the same problem that anyone has, like with the anger that they had the kick down the Capitol front door, it's their ball, not really acceptable. But they both stemmed from people's personal passion. And deep down believes that what they were doing and what they believe in is so extreme. And it's so in the right, that they have to make their point in a more, more, what's the word? stream? Why, I guess because no one's listening to them.

Steve:

And they they both on both sides are doing the same thing. But the symbolism Oh, totally, yeah, my target from a target in Ferguson, Missouri, to the Capitol going where democracy happens. The last time someone invaded that was in the war of 1812 was 1814. During the Civil War, we're about to lose the capital. In the middle of this during the war, they were spending money to build this building. And they went to Abraham Lincoln and said, Dude, this makes no sense why we're still building this building, we need the money for the war. And these guys are coming, they may just knock this shit down. He said, this is gonna stand as a symbol of democracy, that under no circumstance that we stopped democracy, the building of this building is the movement of democracy, nothing stops it. So that building is a literal symbol of what everything you hear, we're an angry American, is

Host:

that not the perfect symbol to go to?

Steve:

That? So people want to say, this isn't terrorism? This is an attacking democracy. These are patriots. No, you are my fucking every single person there is my actual enemy. Literally. That's how I look at them. You attacked my fucking country, if they had different flags.

Host:

And isn't it wild that their perspective is absolutely totally like they, they feel that they were in the right. And I bet many of them still do. So

Unknown:

they, you know, there I read, I went there to my

Bradford :

country. Yeah, I read somewhere today that I think it was the there was a certain group of people that realize that if a group of people are lied to for two months straight, you start to believe that lie and even when presented with contradictory information, you still believe it to be true. So these individuals, passionate for sure, were emboldened by Trump in those beliefs, because for months, they were fed all these lies about how the, the, you know, election was rigged. And it was fake, and it was fraudulent. And it's a witch hunt all over again, like usual. And they were fed this. They truly believe it is. I mean, they had so much Well, you know,

Steve:

you can say it's over two months, but really, it's from the beginning.

Unknown:

Oh, yeah.

Steve:

I don't know if he's a fucking genius. Or he just happens to just stumble upon luck everywhere he goes, because genius. what he's done from day one, is systematically remove all trust from everything else other than Trump. He fucking master at it. I mean, Hitler may be the only other and I'm not comparing these two at all. I don't want to confuse that at all. Hitler may be the only other person who is masterfully taken systematically taking things away from people to only have him be the superior person without them realizing it right and fully in it. So we can call them stupid. We can call these names. But I said all time is about perspective and their perspective. The election was stolen. It was given to somebody else, and the wrong person is in office and the real person democracy was stolen from them and they genuinely believe that so we it's easy to be on the outside big. Oh, well, they're fucking crazy, but they

Unknown:

genuinely believe

Steve:

it. I can't say they're crazy, but their real life is about perspective, their perspective is that and they've got

Bradford :

to be real. So there's 230 defendants who were formally and publicly charged. And only 1/4 of them, you know, are actually going to be charged. So the other three quarters are facing only misdemeanors.

Steve:

Well, it's how you prosecute this

Bradford :

breaking an entry. I mean, that feels like more than a misdemeanor. So she wasn't our general

Host:

system doesn't take forever already. We always just take forever on this guy. Like, let's just break it down and your time. And let's do it all. 230 Let's go through each one. Listen, we do it every day already. So why not do it to these 230

Steve:

What if you're looking at it from a defense attorneys perspective? I'm not even a lawyer. I can see holes everywhere right in this if they have evidence they assaulted you that's trespassing. That's that's a misdemeanor ticket

Host:

but that's what what I'm saying is then all of them are at least being charged with that right? Well, that's

Steve:

what I mean. That's why a lot of this numbers the quarter to 230 if you just have me on video and you can prove who I am it's just a trespassing do I didn't break your video me. So you can say is breaking entering well my Lord and say do you have video of them breaking the window because windows can't be they're not public? That's just called trespassing. Trust me I've done the research because Wow, shit when I was younger, I didn't

Unknown:

bring in a federal

Steve:

building. Just to clarify the story. I wouldn't have been in buildings. If you go through a window it's already broken. You didn't break it it just trespass. Norwich hospital and

Bradford :

Shaughnessy, of course exists. That Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't.

Host:

What about have we heard further about the organic food man in jail and the other guy with his feet.

Steve:

He's still in the the zip tie guy who and that guy rolled there with his mom, actually yesterday. They've been locked up from once they identified them and arrested them and put them up

Unknown:

even though he's been charged. So

Steve:

they actually argued with their lawyer that they've been held for too long, unconstitutionally, and they were released yesterday because they're viewed as non violent protesters. Because the only video we have of zip tie man who, let's be honest, if he found people would have zip tied people with the zip ties, he would have been King kidnapper. Until he did the action. All they have of him is just outside the Capitol walking into already broken door window and just jumping. Jumping stairs with zip ties. So he is viewed as a non violent protest. He just a trespasser. So he's free. If I got locked up for holy shit this November, if I got locked up for like, almost six months, we're trespassing. That's insane. So as a defense attorney, I don't agree with any of it. But as a defense attorney, I it's like it's like playing basketball. I

Bradford :

think two year old part of the motive has to be your intent, though. I mean, but you don't walk in and

Host:

intend to sell What do you mean? That's a drug charge all the time. To Kill a politician

Steve:

is when I What is

Unknown:

your intent with zip ties?

Steve:

I said these people are my enemy. But if I was with this group, and they got into capital, I'm fucking going in all day. Well, I'm not that if I 100% of me,

Unknown:

you're going into this, I wouldn't

Steve:

go. No, I was going to just say I was in there. And I was here. This is experience. Here's a great story guy got arrested today, as one of the insurgents, whatever you want to call them that went in the Capitol. I feel like I'm making this up, but I'm not real. I saw dinner prep this morning. FBI showed up at his house, knocked on the door to arrest him for storming the Capitol on March or I'm sorry, November, whatever, January six, January 620 21. And he's wearing a shirt with a picture of Donald Trump that says I was there. US Capitol, January 6 2021.

Unknown:

And they arrested him and they

Steve:

Yeah, well, yeah. Well, yeah, he already they already had a

Host:

war, I need to make sure how the rap is he could have been the clown of the day.

Steve:

Hey, hey, sir, you have the wrong guy.

Bradford :

Your t shirt argues otherwise? Well, we can say that he has successfully been there and got the T shirt. So good for him. My question is moving on to the next topic. Have you been to church lately? I asked this because I'm not proclaiming that there is a fall of religion. And that's not what I'm trying. But, right. But I'm just asking because, at least in our area, more and more churches are closing. And it seems as though and this isn't just because the COVID this is like even before COVID I think, you know, we had a little mini discussion prior to this and you know, people still believe in God, but they don't feel like their God requires them to go to church. So we should do this right off the rip right?

Unknown:

Are you a church person?

Bradford :

I know not anymore. You believe in God? I do.

Steve:

And I already know your answers.

Host:

go to church, but I believe in God.

Steve:

So I'm no, no,

Unknown:

no, no.

Steve:

I believe in God. No church, no God, science. So that's why it's a cool perspective. Yeah, I wouldn't

Host:

feel unwelcome if I walked into a church, right? Like, I would still understand the kneeling and the standing and then the hymn book and right, like, that's what the numbers are at the front, I took me forever to know that as a child, just know that the hymn page numbers are at the front, they that's why the numbers age,

Steve:

like I am, I'm a science person, but I understand how important religion is to human evolution, human psychology, human advancement. But I, because I'm a science person, I'm also aware of how much horrible damage religion has caused to the human race at the same time. Just for sorry, perspective, just real quick, just,

Bradford :

if you don't feel comfortable, you don't have to say it. What religion are you?

Host:

I was, like, raised Roman Catholic, okay. And then when I went to, like high school, I was a little bit more, like involved in Christianity. Like born again, Christians, okay. And now Honestly, I personally just, I've, I've boiled all that into my brain and just figured out what I want.

Steve:

You practice it in life. You don't go to church? Yeah,

Host:

right. I was born. But I if I again, if I went to church, I would, I would try to get out of it. What was being presented to me and I would try to pull the positivity because that's what it's for. Right? Exactly.

Bradford :

I was born and raised in the Episcopal Church, which is kind of like Catholic, okay. But then, very early on, in my younger age, my mom sort of got into a more New Age spiritual movement and decided to move away from the church, if you will, and into more of a loving, caring, compassionate type of belief system about God. So we stopped going to church. But you know, there's all of these churches that are closing, and, you know, it raises all these questions. Is it just that people don't believe they have to physically go to church to pray? And what happens to the buildings, because you've got all of these buildings now that are going to be vacant? And it's not like you could use it as a short, right? Yeah. Like it's, it's got a very particular look and style to it. So what do we what do we do with them? Well, I

Steve:

think it's a combination of why they're not succeeding. I think it's a combination of a lot of things. Like I like you guys went to church. I'm not a church person. But I grew up in a, I don't know, Roman Catholic Christian, one of the two I did rosary and the Yeah, it's really yeah, I have no idea. My parents got divorced. My mom was like, so the church doesn't like people get divorce. We can't go anymore. So I was like, swayed. Two birthdays, two Christmases. No church, divorce still sucks, but at least some silver lining, but it's the it's the for me my opinion. Why if you hired me as a, like a marketing company for the Catholic Church, how are we going to get how we can come back? Stein

Unknown:

gave people

Steve:

access to things right off the bat. First off, the presentation is old, stale and fucking boring.

Host:

What about tradition if someone argue that

Steve:

that's for old people,

Unknown:

which is pretty much

Steve:

a church tradition, but that's my argument is that your argument is, well, where the fuck are they? Because they're selling tradition right now. And no one showing up. So make it different. I'm not, I'm not saying dance routine. But make it relatable talk about things. Don't tell me about Peter and fucking Paul for the 17th 100th goddamn time. Well take Peter and Paul, and make it a story about your neighbor.

Host:

I think maybe then someone would say to you, you got to try multiple different churches because I've been to some different churches, and there is totally a different vibe. Just depending on the religion, depending on the end, and again, I only have a limited view of like the few that I've been to, but they a lot of them are completely diverse. So

Steve:

that's perfect, cuz that leads me into Problem number two from marketing perspective. Is that like, what do you like? What do you guys do? Like what do you do it? Like what are you selling basically, is I literally lost complete track of thought. I'm just trying to pull it back. Got it back. Got it back. Normally, normally. Exactly. Normally. I got to the point where maybe if I just admit cuz you both are leaned and looking at me, like shit, no idea. The next sentence I'm saying, I got it.

Host:

I've been in the office. I've never had this much. I got

Steve:

it back. So from the dawn of The existence of science, church or religion and science have been battling each other. And that's where there is the fight is no 22 year old. If you if you pull 22 year olds, how many of them go to church? Right? The only ones that do go because their parents make them what ones go freely as a small percentage. What the church needs to do is stop fighting science, stop fighting fact, combine the combine

Bradford :

them yeah, science is simply a mad explanation I was

Steve:

gonna pull back on the admit word but no, it admit that we don't have proof of God. But God doesn't have to be the person in the clouds, he can be the guy inside your head, he can be the thing pushing you to get up, like, sell it in a different way. Because your audience has changed. From our mod who's 67. In Missouri, you're now trying to sell Corey with an eye who goes to NYU and as an art student, like your your audience is shifting. So what the church has never done is they've been selling the same product for hundreds of years, while the audience has shifted, so they need to shift to the audience. And I think a blend of taking the stories of Peter and Paul, and making it the gay couple of Alexander next door and telling the same story because to me, the Bible just is it's a store of morals, right? It's a hey, here's a situation if you do the

Host:

right thing, their argument is you can't just pick and choose, I guess.

Unknown:

But yeah,

Host:

so that's why each individual person takes it upon themselves then to find their own individual religion self. You know what I mean? I would I don't know how I would do myself right now Catholic or Christian? Because there are certain things that I disagree with. ie, why

Steve:

couldn't you just be religious and go to both churches.

Host:

But but that's what I mean, I think religion is so individualized. And so important to that one human being that unless you're following a person to help you through that religion, like like, like a priest, or any person in that like type of field, right? unless you really trust that person, like your best best friend that you'll never go without. Like, that's how people treat it. And so that's why you people, I think back in the day, felt that way, maybe toward and this isn't a bash towards the leaders of the churches. I'm just saying maybe they felt a little bit more relatable to the person preaching, right. But maybe now like you said, there's a different audience and I would love to hear preaching in the woods. Or, you know, like, what if like, you had like a group of people who all all fell

Steve:

in the show Ozark they did it on a river. See? I'm sure those things are I would show up to that.

Host:

Maybe that's happening right now. But like you said, there's no like church marketer out there. And they're not like capturing massive amounts of youthful people and teaching them these things. I don't see any flyers around I

Bradford :

think a lot of young people to just can't get on board with the teachings because it doesn't go with what they believe. You know, I know for the gay community, I mean, like, I'm not speaking for all the gay people, because there's a lot of gay people that still go to church. But when churches said, you know, we don't accept you. I mean, how do you expect to get membership when our culture is changing? And that's becoming an acceptable thing in the culture, but yet the religion isn't on board with that. So now, someone like me, I don't feel welcome. Like when I go into a church, I feel like I'm looked at strangely, and that all the people in there have already been told by the guy up front, or the girl up front that I am not in. Okay,

Steve:

that's my number three on the list of how you market it to young people again, look at the movement that's going on in our world in our country, and in my opinion, in a great way. They're canceling a bunch of fucked up shit. Judgment is not accepted anymore. Well, what is religion? Do? All of them. They judge? I mean, that is, to me, religions main move is judgment from a negative perspective, judgment. All religions. Judge Who are you if you're not like us, you're not good.

Host:

But that's why I think people

Steve:

show a 22 year old NYU art student who is using they and all the other sayings, looks at religion and being like, well, you're just judging people on their lifestyle. I'm not that's

Host:

unfortunate though, because I feel like that person hasn't given themselves the opportunity to come up with how what they want to believe in and not like I'm saying that it's your decision who God is because nobody knows. Right? So that's why it's up to each individual person to take it upon themselves to try to discover who I guess their God is. If that makes any sense, right?

Steve:

I hope not for not one second argued for science and I want like 30 seconds

Unknown:

go for so that's what I always

Steve:

I was getting this argument with people about God and they're like, Well, you know, you're missing the beauty of God and like to me if you view it from a science perspective, All of this is just fucking random. There are billions you disagree. There's billions of planets everything has exploded the way science and mother nature works is all because it works because it succeeded everything else died. That's

Host:

not miraculous to you. You

Unknown:

don't know that there's a

Steve:

God people don't get is that the the myth, the magic of God is really cool. But the magic of that this is the law of fucking the universe makes God look like a little kid. So I think

Unknown:

when you look at the button, oh my

Steve:

god, people say because you can't accept that something is bigger than God. Because there

Host:

is nothing. God then that would be God.

Steve:

The universe is bigger than God. It's my God. People can't wrap their head around something bigger than God.

Host:

Well, I can believe in God because God can set off something called the Big Bang and then boom,

Steve:

where was God that mission accomplished? He's

Host:

in another dimension. But why can't you understand that as a human being you'll never be able to comprehend that just like you. I know you and I've had this conversation before off air you Bradford Can you imagine for me right now? 1 million people exactly. Yeah, you can't do it. No, you can't. It's physically impossible. You can't imagine exactly 1 million people about 47,000 people. Can you imagine that? No, because your brain just can't comprehend things like that. Just like you can't comprehend. would be bigger than God. Did

Steve:

you say 3000 people I can picture 53,000 people every time I picture Yankee Stadium

Unknown:

trying to be funny. I'm just saying.

Host:

I'm just trying to say that I think I made a pretty valid point. And that you came back with the Yankee Stadium number

Steve:

I pictured 53,000 people you ask for 47.

Host:

Exactly. You can't get your 47,000 Kenya What

Steve:

does God look like?

Unknown:

Can you pick energy

Host:

out of them? Not because he didn't give to and that's okay, what is?

Steve:

What is Muhammad look like?

Host:

It's totally okay that I don't know the answers to those things.

Bradford :

I know that it's cross I get a little chunky. But see,

Steve:

that's where I get sad from a science perspective is that if God is real, that's fucking crazy.

Unknown:

It's crazy.

Steve:

Let me get past the god people. Okay, let me just get past God people for like 30 seconds. If he didn't exist, the fact that it does it on its own is way fucking greater of a miraculous thing is that there is laws that exist because no one created them. Some guy didn't go away, it's

Host:

gonna be possible the things that I've seen in just in my, with my own eyes and my own life. And I know everybody has had those crazy experiences. There's no way that that is just because it happened that way.

Steve:

But how could it because a guy lives up there in Korea, because you can't fathom it and push a button. Maybe what was he doing before? When

Unknown:

I

Steve:

see that's why I get frustrated with anything happen when religious people don't have answers. It's, well, here's some bullshit answer that makes

Unknown:

zero sense offended. Okay, I'm a science person. So you have to

Steve:

doesn't answer the question of it totally does. It doesn't answer a question of where the Big Bang come from.

Bradford :

So here's I'm going to just give some perspective. Hold on. So my, I'm a science, I love science. I went to school. For a degree in wildlife conservation. Here I am making podcasts. But you know, I love science. I also I do believe in God. And I'm not saying you should or shouldn't, but I actually in my weird little brain have been able to meld the two together. I just feel like science is the expression of how God creates just like the palette and the canvas is the expression of how the artists create so I just feel like there's just sort of this blended magic that happens between the both of them, but we are out of time. I want to ask you guys just real

Steve:

quick started a church like that. I would actually kind of listen.

Host:

I don't understand how it's much different but okay, you just have a tangible photo to show him and mine is you can't comprehend it. So

Steve:

you respected that science exists. I said the big

Unknown:

we're not ending

Steve:

the last fucking topic.

Unknown:

Um, died. I

Host:

never mind. Oh, no, I'm done.

Bradford :

Wait, because continue this tomorrow. This is the time this is the Big Bang. So anyway, we want to end with Easter now. I know you don't believe in God. But do you do anything for Easter? Do you spend time with family do you what do you do?

Steve:

When I was a kid, I got the eggs from my eyes that I don't

Host:

have any kids in your family that like Do you still participate or help out with like an Easter egg.

Steve:

We're all growing. I'm glad to wake up and go do anything. I don't understand what Easter Bunny has to do with Jesus resurrecting, throw it out there, but

Bradford :

well, just like Santa. But

Steve:

I get a PlayStation four for that. So I don't need to ask questions.

Bradford :

Maybe you should eat carrots and you'll see what do you do for Easter?

Host:

I always get old grandma's house, you know, and I'm so happy that her and my grandpa are vaccinated. So yeah, anything for that reason, I guess. Did you

Steve:

not see them till they were vaccinated?

Host:

I hugged my grandma, since last summer. And that sounds bad because like, right, it was during like, the summer or whatever. But I remember specifically, like we had kept our distance and we were doing good with the mask. And then finally, with both of our masks on my like, poor Grandma, I could see it in her face, and you can't leave her house without giving her a hug. Like I'm gonna cry thinking about this. I gave her a hug. And we were both like, haha, let's hold her breath. Yeah, so like, we didn't know what I mean. But it hasn't been since then. So numbers had

Bradford :

numbers had kind of gone down a little bit in the summer, but they spiked up again in fall. So

Host:

right and so we're gonna happen doing our best. Yeah,

Bradford :

of course, my brother's hosting Easter this year. He usually does. And he has some old kids. So you know, we do the whole easter egg thing with them. And so yeah, my niece's. Yeah, I'm making this like trifle. And if you take a strawberry and you dip it in orange chocolate and have those like chocolate melts, like for candies that you can melt, they're like these little round like this. Yeah. I don't know. They're orange. Well, there's all different colors so you can get orange. It's not it doesn't taste like

Unknown:

it tastes like orange. Oh, it's like it's like white chocolate just with food color. Gotcha.

Steve:

Actual chocolate oranges. Oh, no,

Unknown:

no, so you can take any idea what you're talking about.

Host:

I do know now. Yeah.

Bradford :

And you can dip it in this chocolate and then make the lines and it looks like the carrot. So I'm going to get like this like trifle I'm going to do like brownie and pudding and all this good stuff. And then I'm going to put crushed up Oreo around it. But the carrot em the carrot, which is really the strawberry and then I'm going to take coconut with some green food coloring. Shake it up, make it look like grass. spread that around. And then you can buy these candies. They're called bunny rabbits and it's like a marshmallow for the little tail. And then like the two feet, it's like this like sugar. Little Thing. I like the design of their feet. So it looks like the bunny is going under the ground to dig for the carrot. So I'm gonna make this really do me a favor.

Steve:

Yes, depiction. You buy the shortest, fattest little baby carrot. And just cover it in chocolate and throw it in there. No, just to teach the kids what real love

Unknown:

that's Boomer would come I know.

Steve:

caribou like sometime life just fucks you over even when you do everything right.

Host:

And there you go. You didn't know you want to go Boomer.

Unknown:

Steve. There you go. Right. Yeah,

Steve:

that felt weird. That was really weird.

Bradford :

It is. Well, what's weirder is we have to come to an end. And we just love hanging out with you. Thanks for joining us. This week. Remember to like and share the podcast. engage with us. Tell us what you thought. And of course, join our Patreon. Thank you very much and we'll see you next week. I didn't push out the whole time. My gosh, I know God Darn it. It's like God struck you dead.

Unknown:

Anyways, have a nice fucking good dude.

Keith:

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